What makes ryze not top tier?

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Blaz3king

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04-10-2010

I know ryze isnt op, and from what ive know he is mid tier. But why. When he hits lev 6 even without items, he can do massive burst damage and seriously hurt or kill alot of people with surprisingly short cool downs,and an aoe. So why is he not considered really good and just mediocre.


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Cryohazard

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04-10-2010

he's a one-trick pony. all other casters have either stronger CC abilities or better utility than ryze, and considering how easy it is to get enough MR to mitigate his burst to non-insane levels plus how easily he drops when focused (he literally has no survival skills) he's actually pretty mediocre.

ryze's role can be summed up as ult, spell flux into a crowd, die.


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Azghyn Nite

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04-10-2010

Without his ultimate a high ap ryze sucks. A low ap ryze with CD reduction survivability and mana make him not entirely useless without his ultimate.


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Adel Dijerek

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04-10-2010

What others have said. He's basically utterly countered by Mercury's Treads + Banshee's Veil 1v1 because he can't escape well and a bursted target in a teamfight. He's nice if you're playing people who don't know how to counter him, but his usefulness diminishes rapidly otherwise.


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Voidgolem

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04-10-2010

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Originally Posted by Adel Dijerek View Post
What others have said. He's basically utterly countered by Mercury's Treads + Banshee's Veil 1v1 because he can't escape well and a bursted target in a teamfight. He's nice if you're playing people who don't know how to counter him, but his usefulness diminishes rapidly otherwise.
The trouble is, he has no problems killing you beforehand and can then burst you down anyway using the money earned pre-veil.

If he's been doing badly, yeah, it'll shut him down. Otherwise it's still nuke-for-70%-and-AoE land >.>


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Adel Dijerek

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04-10-2010

How exactly is he bursting you down? It's trivial to stay away from your creeps and buy a Doran's item, which leaves you set for the first few levels. Afterwards, Merc makes Rune Prison half-useless. Then Banshee's kicks in and it's game. This is all for a melee champion, of course. Ranged champions lol at Ryze's ultra-bad range and nuke him/pelt him to death.


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Azing

Senior Member

04-10-2010

In team fights ult + his sphere attack = team ripped. Really though Ryze is not in top tier for 2 reasons.

1.) Hes rather squishy and requires to be close to be using abilities and lacks a stun or real 'firm' cc unless against melee.
2.) Hes a joke caster that if your caught playing you will be mocked for playing such a noob hero.

Smashing head on keyboard pretty much explains ryze dps and really most good players won't accept that along with his flaws.


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Lynxion

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04-10-2010

He dies in 2 seconds, no survival, just bad overall. As a lot of people has said, he also has no escape skills at all. If you stun him once, he's gone.


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CTHDRL

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04-10-2010

He has no Crowd Control or Escape or Survivability.

Things that make

Fiddle, Karthus, Anivia and Annie viable at high tier.


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wildfire393

Senior Member

04-10-2010

Okay, let's look at each mage-type that's higher-tiered than Ryze (according to L0cust):

Fiddles: Hard Crowd Control in Terrify, AOE Crowd Control in Dark Wind, amazing lane-staying and jungling from Drain, his AOE Ult is at least as much burst as Ryze
Morgana: Longer-ranged and duration snare, AOE Slow, possible AOE hard CC, can prevent CC on your carry/channeler
Annie: AOE hard CC, better tower pushing ability
Anivia: Hard CC, AOE CC

Basically, everyone save Morgana has a reliable hard CC (either a stun or a fear) enabling them to disable their target in a way that prevents just Flashing out, allowing them to successfully nuke someone down. And Morgana isn't really a straight mage-type, providing more support with Black Shield and her ult making her a focus fire target (thus making flash-ult a great initiation)


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