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Some thoughts on Shen

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Valechor

Junior Member

03-25-2010

Ok just to start off, no I'm not some ultra pro who has won every dota tournament under the sun then come to LoL to do it all again...

In fact, I'm pretty new, I do some stupid things occasionally, don't pay attention, etc.

This is some things that I've picked up for anyone looking to start with Shen before looking at some more advanced guides so they can specialise.

I've found that if I start off with a Vampiric Sceptre, going straight for Starks Fervour and then getting Malady and Executioners Calling, before getting The Bloodthirster if the game is still fairly well balanced, then you are able to keep yourself alive through pretty much any attack as well as having an immense attack speed for taking down the opposition.

I'd say Shen isn't a DPS or a tank or even a support character, in the early levels he's an opportunist.

I tend to hang back, solo a lane, usually mid, and if some enemy champion comes too close, use a Vorpal Blade to chase him off. If he still pesters, I can usually get the first kill by vorpal blade, exhaust and then using vorpal blade on cooldown til hes dead.

It's not perfect, and I haven't done extensive testing of it, but its what I'm using and...so far so good...


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Zakkeh

Senior Member

03-25-2010

just gave this a try, getting a ninja tabi before malady. Worked out rather well ^^ Thanks for the build


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Valechor

Junior Member

03-25-2010

hokai, few more games, few more thoughts.

I've gone for pure attack speed in my rune slots (Quintessence of Alacrity, Seals of Alacrity, Marks of Alacrity) since I'm now level 10, and gone for 10-0-0, which gives me a starting attack speed of ~13%

Combined with the vampire scepter, this works quite well.

Attack speed certainly seems to be a good stat, but it also might be worth going for slightly more attack damage


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wildfire393

Senior Member

03-25-2010

Ugh, this build almost made me vomit.

Attackspeed, Attackdamage, and Lifesteal have no natural synergy with his abilities. At all. He has nothing that makes him a Physical DPS. Basically, you'd be playing a bad version of Udyr (who has a better shield, better natural lifesteal, several Steroids moves, just as good distance-closing/cc in bear, etc).

If you want to build Shen, please stick to items that actually have some usefulness on him, like HP items, Atma's, Warden's Mail, AP, etc.


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SaulOrNothing

Recruiter

03-25-2010

Quote:
wildfire393:
Ugh, this build almost made me vomit.

Attackspeed, Attackdamage, and Lifesteal have no natural synergy with his abilities. At all. He has nothing that makes him a Physical DPS. Basically, you'd be playing a bad version of Udyr (who has a better shield, better natural lifesteal, several Steroids moves, just as good distance-closing/cc in bear, etc).

If you want to build Shen, please stick to items that actually have some usefulness on him, like HP items, Atma's, Warden's Mail, AP, etc.

agreed.
Shen is not a dps champ. DEFENSIVE ninja. No life steal. No malady ever.


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Valechor

Junior Member

03-25-2010

Quote:
wildfire393:
Ugh, this build almost made me vomit.


thanks for that. Really makes us new players feel welcome. Also encourages new players to write guides.

Edit: I note that I've been derated. Again, thank you. It's good to see that you want me to know that you disagree with trying to do something different, and also want to kick me in the teeth while doing it.

So now let me ask some questions so I can get some feedback rather than: "OMG NEVAH EVAH LEIK USE NON TANKING ITEMS ON THIS GUY"

Why does he have to be a tank? Why can't be he be a survival fighter, good for fighting in combination with another player and who can also do a significant amount of damage. You say he's built to be a tank, but he has a dash ability, which seems to be a skill shot taunt a bit like Blitzcranks but with shorter range. His passive gives him crit every 8 seconds, shortened when attacked by champions, which is more useful on a DPS than a tank..His vorpal blade gives a heal over time, not a heal per hit, so less useful as a tank and more as a support character, and then theres his ultimate, which allows him to shield himself and a friend and then teleports to them, again more useful in a support fighter than a tank.

If you want to disagree, please say why you disagree as well as helpful useful comments as to why your way is better.

Finally: don't be so bloody conservative, let people try stuff out and maybe help them with that. Like: I dont agree with this build, but if you wanted to do more damage, it has been proven that AP is more effective than lifesteal.


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Sarpati

Senior Member

03-25-2010

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Valechor:
thanks for that. Really makes us new players feel welcome. Also encourages new players to write guides.

New players shouldn't be writing guides. That's the whole point of them, an experienced player guiding someone not so experienced (be it with the game as a whole or the champion in question).

I second his post. Shen is a tank (doesn't need to be built solely for that, but that's his main focus). Wait for the other Ninjas if you want DPS.


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Valechor

Junior Member

03-25-2010

If I meant it to be a guide I would probably have put [GUIDE] in the title. As it was, I called it: "some thoughts on Shen" THOUGHTS being the operative word, intending for it to be an open discussion into a possible dps build for Shen.


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Blackberries

Junior Member

03-25-2010

Trollllled


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Jimmyjames

Member

03-25-2010

I disagree, Shen isnt a tank.. Shen is a support. He has a fat HP pool. But he cant tank a 5v5. He can however Tank a 3v2 or a 2v2
Just because he's got a taunt. doesnt necessarily make him a tank. you need to be behind their lines to Initiate. and thats bad.. Positioning should never allow his to really mess up your 5v5 enemy.
I think Shen is a great hybrid tank / dps

while i wouldnt recomend Life steal to any thing in higher level play (too much executioners calling)
A starks is a fine item on him. I think even a Spirt Visage + Starks is great support. Get a Ageis of the legion and Merc treds. then go for Zeal and Infinity Edge, or something of that sort..

Basicly i just dont think hes a great tank. but could ROCK aura items


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