Tristana Vs Vayne

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Kaasian

Junior Member

05-24-2011

LoL Forums are constantly jam packed with QQ about the latest Hero. Whether you think they are OP or not, they newer the hero the more QQ about him/her being OP. It made me think new heroes are made to be OP and then slowly brought down to par over a couple months.

When you look at what champs are selling in the store it makes complete sense. New heroes sell better, but new and GOOD heroes sell best. Clearly Riot relies on these sales in their business model. Unfortunately for us this makes the game imbalanced.

For Example: Tristana vs Vayne

Both champions should excel at taking on Tanky Dps, but here is why Vayne will crush Tristana simply because her sales are better.

Tumble vs Rocket Jump.
Vaynes silky smooth animation and 2 sec cooldown > Tristana's clunky animation and 20 sec cooldown. Jumps damage and slow is nothing compared to the utility of Tumble whilst ulting

Condemn vs Buster Shot
Somehow Vayne was given Tristana's Ult with a possible stun, and Riot thinks that she's balanced. Obviously Stun has far more utility when combined with Tumble Invisibilty.
Condemn>Buster Shot.

Silver Bolts & Final Hour vs Explosive Shot & Draw a Bead
Again same skills as Tristana except that Tristana has 20 sec cooldown on everthing and that Vaynes skills combine for far more burst and dps. Silver Bolts > Draw a Bead.

I hope this sheds some light as to why we are have game imbalance problems; until Riot changes where they get their sales from they will have no incentive to balance new heroes.

I think Riot should release new champs UP and buff them until they are balanced. Please give suggestions.


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Psybeerian

Senior Member

05-24-2011

Old champs tend to have one dimensional abilities with generally higher mana costs, longer cooldowns that only scale off AP even for AD champs.

New champs have generally lower mana costs, shorter cooldowns, multiple effects built into each ability, and they scale off whatever AP or AD is better suited for the specific champ.


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Eliras

Senior Member

05-24-2011

>_>

inb4 don't compare champions

Don't compare champions, not how balance works


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The Mid Man

Senior Member

05-24-2011

In term of pure POWER, Tristana still beats the **** out of Vayne lategame.

1: She can farm better and is likely to get better items earlier (unless Vayne is fed, that would be your fault anyway for feeding an assassin = same as feeding Nocturne).
2: She has a 90% AS steroid on a low CD vs a 75 AD steroid ult. Do the math.
3: She has a healing reduction skills (circumstancial but still useful).
4: She has a out of jail card that reset on kills and assists.
5: She out-range Vayne

Not saying that she's better than Vayne, because she's not. They just fill different roles. I don't see Vayne as an AD carry, more as an assassin who needs to gank instead of farming all game.

Why do you even compare Rocket Jump to Tumble? Final Hour to Draw a Bead? wtf???


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IMLOwl

Senior Member

05-24-2011

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Originally Posted by Eliras View Post
>_>

inb4 don't compare champions

Don't compare champions, not how balance works
Comparing champs in the context of their roles is exactly how balance works.


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Space Traveler

Senior Member

05-24-2011

Vayne's an assassin. Trist's a carry. A carry that gradually reaches carry-mode after getting enough itemz.

While having impeccable spell damage Trist only has 2(+ultimate) skills until she begins scaling with items a bit. Also it would really depend on tactics. If you outplay Vayne and come out on top when trading harass (Poke with explosive shot from a good position then stay out of range for her combos) you could very well win. Though putting yourself in range for explosive shot would probably put you in range to get combo'd on.

So..

I guess various factors based on the people playing the champions would really decide it. Though it seems to me like Vayne has the upper hand for most of the early game. Trist would have the upper hand at level 1, assuming you level up explosive shot, Then once Vayne has 2 or maybe 3 of her skills she can win the poking game and beyond that the damage game. Though mid- late game, Vayne would cry if you did well enough to get some scaling happening.


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feifongwong2

Senior Member

05-24-2011

You gotta get through early and mid game to make it to late game bro


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MyDeadGrandma

Senior Member

05-24-2011

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Originally Posted by IMLOwl View Post
Comparing champs in the context of their roles is exactly how balance works.
So why are we comparing an assassin vs a hard carry again?


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Goshdarnit

Senior Member

05-24-2011

Tristana has a few advantages over Vayne the problem is Vayne will get fed kills a lot more because of how mobile she is.

Overall, I think Vayne needs some adjustment to her cooldowns, especially her Q and E, before she is balanced.


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IMLOwl

Senior Member

05-24-2011

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Originally Posted by MyDeadGrandma View Post
So why are we comparing an assassin vs a hard carry again?
Because Vayne has dual roles, bro.


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