@Riot I am going to use the most utility champ in the game to SUPPORT, No Nerferino!

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LoveSparkle

Senior Member

01-03-2014

LEE SIN
Facts of Lee Sin:
He's a double escape champion with 7 skills, and 2 summoners, and typically buys 1 or 2 active items to give him 10+ skills. (Hydra and Randuins)

His kit provides him with:
-an AS steroid as a passive
-a true sight revealing aoe
-4 instant jumps that even goes to wards, trinkets, minions, monsters and champions
-true damage ignite, flash
-movement and attack speed slow
-AoE knockback
-5 sec shield and 3sec shield to allies
-%damage
-spell vamp and lifesteal all in the same kit.

He's a Low Risk, High Reward champion. And he has all of this before he even buys his first item in game.

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Problem: Lee Sin has too much utility in his kit, so much so he excels at EARLY and MID game, "while falling off late", good players will not see late game with Lee Sin because the game will be over as they will know how to close out a game.

But, people playing Lee Sin want to make great smart cast style "Insec" plays.

An InSec style play is: a jump to a ward then ult to kick back opponent into your team so they can 4v1 essentially and you can pick off a kill to turn the battle in your favor.

Things to understand though:
Q and W are essentially the same skill on a different button. Compare to something like Lulu's Whimsy. Most other champions have on ENEMY cast and on ALLY cast if they have a skill like this. This essentially makes Lee Sin twice as "useful" since he has two.


But, Lee Sin having Q and W changed would actually hurt his clear times. So if you make Q and W into one skill, just Q. You'd need to make him have a brand new W to help him jungle effectively.

I would suggest you would give him an Aatrox style passive. AoE damage to monsters/minions or lifesteal every 3rd hit or something to that sort. This will allow him to still clear very fast and be able to be a top level ganker.

Lee's actual numbers on his Passive is for 2 attacks he gains 40%AS. This is a huge amount of free stats for a passive, it's essentially a free Recurve Bow (900g). Very few champions get such a huge amount of gold with no cooldown on that passive. Consider the GA passive price (1310g) to the Recurve bow, and then the cooldown of 5 minutes and even revive passives such as Aatrox/Zac pale in comparison.

His E, needs to be either Tempest OR Cripple. Not both. Or you make W Tempest, and E Cripple.

TL;DR: Make Q and W be the same skill. Remove the free stats from his passive. Change his new W and E to make it stronger so he can still jungle effectively. Leave his Q and R alone so he can make InSec style plays.

This is not asking to NERF Lee Sin, this is asking to SIDE-Buff Lee Sin to remove the extra utility from a broken designed champion that was based off an April Fool's joke that went terribly wrong.


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EzSkillshot

Senior Member

01-03-2014

Trying too hard.
This is like BTCJ level of edginess.


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MichaeI Jaxon

Senior Member

01-03-2014

The thing about Lee Sin falling off is that at all other stages of the game he's at top so the only place to go is a little down.


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LoveSparkle

Senior Member

01-03-2014

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Originally Posted by IRS Agent Jie View Post
Trying too hard.
This is like BTCJ level of edginess.
Really? It's the same post as this: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com...php?p=44180738


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de Dust

Senior Member

01-03-2014

Sure, his kit is overloaded with utility. Yes, he is almost always been 100% pick/ban. And yes, he can pubstomp most soloqueue games; BUT, I don't think remaking his kit would be the smart way to go. A bit of number toning is needed, but not kit changes


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Splitpushing

Senior Member

01-03-2014

lee sin doesn't fall off lategame because he can outduel any champion with his utility

js bronzies


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Anemia at LAN

Senior Member

01-03-2014

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Originally Posted by IRS Agent Jie View Post
Trying too hard.
This is like BTCJ level of edginess.
Oh God, now you're using Colonel J's acronyms.


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LoveSparkle

Senior Member

01-04-2014

Just letting you know, time to Support with some Lee Sin!


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Crimson Mutt

Member

01-04-2014

He has been used as a support a long time ago, this is nothing new. Hell, I occasionally use it since the start of S3.

The things about Lee is that his gold-requirement is too high.
He's like a Panth support. If he doesn't get ahead, he falls flat on his face.

If he's behind or just doing even, He'll just be a weaker malphite for all intents in purposes.

He's fun as hell to play, I admit, but there are better choices.


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Crimson Mutt

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01-04-2014

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Originally Posted by Splitpushing View Post
lee sin doesn't fall off lategame because he can outduel any champion with his utility

js bronzies
Yeah because all dem big offensive and defensive steroids will surely help dueling a Jax or Trynd lategame, rite?

Get your head out of your ass.


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