Swain Free Week: How to Counter Swain for Dummies

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Archeer

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03-07-2011

I can see a ton of "SWAN OP OMG NERF PLZ" thread coming in this week. So now I would just like to say that Swain is not OP, he is just an amazing pub stomper.

I just came out of a game with 23-2-10 with Swain, and that was my first time ever using him (Cho and Morgana are two of my best champions, so I guess it would be easier for me to play Swain than most people).

The problem is that the majority of people on pub have absolutely no clue how to counter Swain. He is not OP because Ignite is a pretty hard counter to him, and in ranked games, people will almost always pack Ignite just for Swain. In blind pick he is incredibly powerful because, well lets face it, not everyone takes ignite. Swain has great survivability, laning staying power, DoT burst, and farming capability, but he is NOT OP at all.

Swain does a good amount of DoT damage, but his burst is not nearly as much as someone like Annie or Malzahar or Leblanc. If Swain is hitting you too hard with his WEQR combo, then stop your current build for a second, and save up 740G for a Negatron Cloak. It's only 740 gold, not going to delay your build by too much, but it is going to reduce the damage Swain is doing to you by a noticable percentage.

For DPS champions (more towards attack speed champions) like Ashe, Tristana, Shaco, if you are having a hard time laning against or just facing a Swain in general, go to the store, go to the Magic Resistance section, and find the item called Wit's End. If you are laning against Swain as Ashe, invest 2150G and buy it. It will help you survive greatly.

Update:

Suggested by MECCAMECCA:

Most good Swains use the WEQR combo. That is to say, they will first land their snare (like Morgana), and they will try to cast Torment on you if you are rooted, so he will do more damage over all (like Morgana's Tormented Soil MR reduction), and then he will cast Decrepify then ultimate (like Morgana's Soul Shackle).

So the simple counter to Swain's deadly combo (also Morgana), is that try to keep moving and not stay in one location so he will have a hard time landing his snare. If he does NOT land his Nevermore, chances are that he will not unleash his deadly combo on you.

So after reading this, please don't start QQ threads saying he is OP just because you got owned.

TL;DR

  • Swain is not OP, Ignite is a hard counter to him.
  • Magic Resistance is a hard counter to him.
  • Wits End can be good against Swain to some extends.
  • Move away from the Nevermove circle if you see it.
  • This is not a "L2P noob, QQ more" thread.


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Argodis

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03-07-2011

I pick Swain in rank and laugh when I see that everyone on the other team took ignite as if that's suppose to do something to me. lol

Ignite isn't going to stop good Swain players.


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Janus

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03-07-2011

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Originally Posted by Argodis View Post
I pick Swain in rank and laugh when I see that everyone on the other team took ignite as if that's suppose to do something to me. lol

Ignite isn't going to stop good Swain players.
It will, however stop the free week Swain players.


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Qzahk

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03-07-2011

Thanks.


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Red VII

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03-07-2011

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Originally Posted by Kuthian View Post
It will, however stop the free week Swain players.
qft


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TehGus

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03-07-2011

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Originally Posted by Argodis View Post
I pick Swain in rank and laugh when I see that everyone on the other team took ignite as if that's suppose to do something to me. lol

Ignite isn't going to stop good Swain players.
inb4 QQQQQQQQ how u counter ignite????????


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KommunistKevin

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03-07-2011

Thats why i build QSS on Swain


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Tc3001

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03-07-2011

Magic resist and/or ignite is definitely the way to go when trying to counter him. You should probably avoid fighting him near minions as well.


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Archeer

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03-07-2011

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inb4 QQQQQQQQ how u counter ignite????????
Quicksilver Sash on Swain if you see the other team has a ton of Ignite/reduce healing.


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BigDaddyRelish

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03-07-2011

90% of the Swain free week players suck with him anyway. Apparently that root is so **** hard to land, and they think they can take a 1v5 cuz bird ult lololol.


Wit's End is probably the best thing that you can get against Swain. Swain doesn't have any issues working around a Banshee's Veil like LeBlanc, Veigar, Anivia, etc. can because his ult pops veils, so he isn't really offended by having one of his birds blocked as it isn't a key part in his combo anyway. Hexdrinker is also great against him like it is against most casters, although FoN and QSS are probably the best magic resist items that you could get to counter him specifically defensively.

However, like you said, he is extremely mana intensive. Even if he last hits like a pro, when he goes in to attack a Wits End will drain him of mana nearly instantly if he has his ult up, and then what is he going to do. Auto-attack you to death?


Swain is a good character, but there are ways to work around him.


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