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Nerf Fizz

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xTheft

Senior Member

10-03-2014

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Kuroi86:
And Vlad and Lissandra and Zhonya's.
Vlad costs 20% of his max health, which means you are better off just not using it to dodge abilities unless you are really low, Lissandra's is her ult so... and Zhonyas is on a 60 s cooldown. I'm not saying Fizz's E is unbalanced just that you shouldn't compare it to other abilities that make you untargetable.


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Kuroi86

Senior Member

10-03-2014

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xTheft:
Vlad costs 20% of his max health, which means you are better off just not using it to dodge abilities unless you are really low, Lissandra's is her ult so... and Zhonyas is on a 60 s cooldown. I'm not saying Fizz's E is unbalanced just that you shouldn't compare it to other abilities that make you untargetable.

I don't think it's unbalanced, I just think it's toxic.


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Mohrb

Senior Member

10-04-2014

Fizz can dodge abilities every 8 seconds... while traveling up to an 800 range (landing on any legal ground) and doing a chunk of damage where he lands.

Elise can dodge abilities every 14 seconds, dealing no damage, and only traveling up to a 750 range IF there's an enemy to travel to at that point.


In 5 seconds, Fizz can Urchin strike/rapidly playful trickster into another urchin strike to cover 1900 units. Dealing damage the whole way. He can potentially cover 3250 units in 16 seconds with three urchin strikes and 2 playful tricksters. That mobility is significant. In that 16 seconds, elise can repel twice for a max of 1500 range if enemies are in ideal positions.

Specifically with cooldown reduction, fizz's "you can't touch me while I'm attacking you" is quite annoying because he's essentially immune to skill shots.


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Mohrb

Senior Member

10-04-2014

Fizz Vs. Vlad... Yes, vlad's pool does damage too.. and you can move without relying on enemy positioning, which comes closer to fizz.... But vlad's pool is also on a 14 second CD instead of fizz's 8 second cooldown, and costs vlad 20% of his health. There is a speed buff, but nowhere near the mobility afforded by fizz's ability to just hop all over the map.


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Mohrb

Senior Member

10-04-2014

Second biggest thing that makes fizz rediculously OP:
Seastone Trident
PASSIVE: +70 damage per hit (+ 35% AP) (+8% of target's missing health) (free)
For 40 mana, he gets an extra +30 (+25% AP) damage per hit for a few seconds

110 damage+55% AP+8% missing life... per hit...

Compare that to another champion deemed too OP to buff, poppy: First attack gets no bonus... after a buildup or mana you get up to +35 damage per hit (no modifiers). WOoo... hoo.


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Sleeper Cell

Senior Member

10-04-2014

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Mohrb:
Second biggest thing that makes fizz rediculously OP:
Seastone Trident
PASSIVE: +70 damage per hit (+ 35% AP) (+8% of target's missing health) (free)
For 40 mana, he gets an extra +30 (+25% AP) damage per hit for a few seconds

110 damage+55% AP+8% missing life... per hit...

Compare that to another champion deemed too OP to buff, poppy: First attack gets no bonus... after a buildup or mana you get up to +35 damage per hit (no modifiers). WOoo... hoo.

You do realize this takes up an ability slot right? It's not just free bonus damage he gets at no cost. And it's melee so it requires him to go melee range.


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GORIMMU REAPAHH

Recruiter

10-04-2014

Lmao!


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Mohrb

Senior Member

10-04-2014

Point sleeper? Fizz's attack bonus and dodge take up slots. Elise and vlad's dodge and poppy's attack bonus take up the same slots.

Difference is fizz can dodge 175% as often, with superior maneuverability, while doing tons of damage (and potentially a large slow).


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Kuroi86

Senior Member

10-04-2014

Fizz is an assassin, he's meant to deal a lot of damage. Elize is a mage/fighter and Vlad a mage/tank. Neither are meant to deal the damage that Fizz is in the same length of time. The big difference is Elise and Vlad can build defenses and essentially out last Fizz given no level or gold difference.


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MonkeymanX6

Senior Member

10-04-2014

The only problem with fizz is urchin strike on hit effects proc and the cooldown of playful/trickster.

Fizz can kill a full hp mid laner on a single combo rotation if fed. The problem is that he can do his combo TWICE against the champions who survive it and cannot kill him before his second rotation.


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