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New Soraka Sucks

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Ræyna

Member

09-30-2014

Just in case those people up stairs haven't read it yet.

Rework Soraka is BAD (http://www.troll.me/images/trololo/u-mad-bro-terribad-.jpg)

Best Reddit Thread Ever on Soraka! (http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2hy46l/why_the_soraka_rework_was_an_utter_failure/)

POLL: Vote for worst support! (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4909644)

All relevant topics as to why Soraka Sucks:

Topic: No Synergy (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4822640&highlight=soraka)

Topic: Passive Play-style (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4904360)

Topic: Distances and Radii (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4905598)

Topic: Win Rate Down and Popularity Down (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4908130)

Topic: No self healing without engage. (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4905496)

Topic: No build path (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4906612)

Topic: Weak Numbers & Scaling (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4900067)

Topic: Poor Design Overal (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4896383)

Topic: Improvements to be made (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4909595)

Topic: Other Improvements (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4905598)

And here's my thoughts on healing as BAD Soraka:

Why does her healing not scale with her health?
Her AP ratios are so low... she does almost no damage and almost no healing for the cost.
If she gets focused you lose your lane. (Period)
Best build for her is TANK, which is the exact opposite of what riot wanted... maybe?
And she's mana hungry early game.

Soraka loses 10% HP to heal less than 10% HP of her target. That's a net loss every time.
She must land 10 of her Q to restore her health to heal again,
maximum of 9 heals in lane before she needs to back.
Unless she buys a silly amount of POTs reducing the money she has for wards.
Her slow on her Q is SS. Her E is SS. (Meaning anyone can miss)
The only good ability on her kit is her R, which is hard to keep available with her high mana costs to poke and heal herself.
I'm also 75% sure her E no longer cancels channeling...

Ali heals himself, minions, and his ADC. All without risking anything. His knockback is guaranteed, his knockup is guaranteed.

Taric does a solid heal for himself and his ADC, provides armor and armor shred and his stun is guaranteed. He even provides stats with his ult.

Janna's knockup has more range and does damage. Her slow is guaranteed. Her heal is a better disengage and heals a great amount. Plus she has a shield trades damage better than Soraka's W (which is nerfed at higher healths)

Sona heals herself and her ally, her poke is automatic, her power chord is easy burst/poke, her ultimate stuns on contact, not after a delay, and she provides movement speed.

Nami heals herself, her ally, and possibly damages enemies. She provides movement speed to herself and her ally. Her knockups are faster to be applied and have a large area overall. And she provides on hit damage.


On every level, in each instance, for overall CC totals and healing effects and ally buffs...
EVERY OTHER SUPPORT CHAMPION IS BETTER THAN SORAKA.

P.S.
Also, fix Phantom Karthus skin, he doesn't look like a phantom at all.

P.P.S.
Before you go on about how great and grand and wonderful these new changes are and the potential it has... why don't you show us how good they are? Seriously, if she's as good as everyone in this thread seems to think then she should be able to carry ranked games hard. I want to see your money where your mouth is. Take this 'viable OP' champion and ride her hemoglobin draining ambulance to victory.


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EffectFX

Senior Member

09-30-2014

Multiple threads of people being wrong. Congratulations.


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EffectFX

Senior Member

09-30-2014

By the way, one of those threads is dated all the way back to 2011.


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Ræyna

Member

09-30-2014

Fixed.

Still sucks IMHO.


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EffectFX

Senior Member

09-30-2014

That's your opinion. Fact her old kit was ridiculously binary. It was either too strong or too weak. She had low lane prescense because, low damage, low CC, and her heal (her only really good strong point), was on a massive cooldown unless you were constantly Q'ing enemy champions (which put you at risk of being killed because early game you're super squishy with 0 mobility)

New soraka has better poke in lane (and the Q is not NEARLY as hard to land as people make it out to be), better CC, and spammable healing. "But the heals takes her own HP!" welcome to risk vs reward. Better run coin and grab some HP regen in runes/masteries.


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Ræyna

Member

09-30-2014

Taric = No risk, heals himself and ally
Janna = No risk, bonus CC knockback
Sona = No risk, bonus shield for close engage
Nami = Technically no risk, buffed when in team fights


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TSM Amazing

Junior Member

09-30-2014

It's high risk, low reward.

The rework is a failure.

Her Q costs too much mana in lane for the starcall projectile speed and late game her Q's CD is way too long for the abuse you'll give yourself healing your allies. If you ever get caught in long range damage you're dead. You're also extremely susceptible to burst with no means of saving yourself.

Her Q doesn't heal enough for a support build and landing her E root is a joke really unless the team wants to fight in it.

Zero reason to target anyone but Soraka in a team fight because she has no way to heal herself and a ton of ways to heal others.


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Gareth Tankin

Senior Member

09-30-2014

Quote:
EffectFX:
That's your opinion. Fact her old kit was ridiculously binary. It was either too strong or too weak. She had low lane prescense because, low damage, low CC, and her heal (her only really good strong point), was on a massive cooldown unless you were constantly Q'ing enemy champions (which put you at risk of being killed because early game you're super squishy with 0 mobility)

New soraka has better poke in lane (and the Q is not NEARLY as hard to land as people make it out to be), better CC, and spammable healing. "But the heals takes her own HP!" welcome to risk vs reward. Better run coin and grab some HP regen in runes/masteries.


??
Yes she changed for a reason, yes most everyone thinks that reason is good.

But now she is actually bad at supporting the carry out of lane. After laning is over she has awkward peals and is bad at sustaining squishy champions and is super susceptible to bursts. To boot she actually isn't too brilliant in the area she is supposed to thrive (seiges). It's messy and makes her a very enemy comp dependent, get-ahead-stay-ahead champion in normals (if the enemies are underfed or have a bad comp, if they have a long enough time to kill and/or inability to stick on targets letting Soraka cast heal after heal on them... she becomes very strong).
Yeah she isn't useless now, she wasn't useless before either.. yet she still needed changes.

What she seems to be now is useless or great based largely on snowballing and comp...
That's not good.


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EffectFX

Senior Member

09-30-2014

Quote:
Ræyna:
Taric = No risk, heals himself and ally
Janna = No risk, bonus CC knockback
Sona = No risk, bonus shield for close engage
Nami = Technically no risk, buffed when in team fights


Taric is meh and can't heal as often. Doesn't have potential 3.5 seconds of CC.
Janna can't heal as often. Doesn't have potential 3.5 seconds of CC.
Sona can't heal as often. Doesn't have potential 3.5 seconds of CC.
Nami can't heal as often. Doesn't have potential 3.5 seconds of CC.



She's stronger than she was before on top of now having a kit that can actually have the numbers tweaked unlike her badly designed old kit.


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Ræyna

Member

09-30-2014

Taric has hard stun, non-skill shot, ally armor buff
Janna, Knockup AoE and Knockback AoE and slow
Nami, Knockup AoE, knockup AoE, ally speed boost
Sona, Slow on Hit, Poke, Ult AoE Stun
Ali, Knockback(stun), Knockup AoE
(Ali = no risk)