What did Ghostcrawler to WoW?

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doublelift fg

Senior Member

4 Weeks Ago

i heard that he did a bad thing, can someone enlighten me?


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Ghostcrawler

Lead Game Designer

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4 Weeks Ago
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I can take a shot at it.

I was the lead systems designer on WoW. I managed about half the design department. My team was responsible for class design, combat, item design, encounters, and many of the features in the game like Dungeon Finder, Transmog and Achievements. As one of the leads on the team, I helped set the vision for the game as well. I was not the lead of WoW overall. I had much less to do with say world design, lore, quest design or anything business related. I didn't do very much implementation myself, because I didn't have the bandwidth to do it right, and because there were designers more qualified to do that. I was ultimately responsible for balance and that includes PvP, but I didn't make every change myself, and mostly I focused on removing barriers so other designers could do their jobs. I make that distinction because I don't mind being blamed for anything, but it does a disservice to a very large team to imagine one dude sitting on a throne spewing out edicts. Blizzard, like Riot, was very consensus based and focused on alignment.

Did I and my team make mistakes? Sure. Every game designer does. I'm pretty honest about admitting them, though it's tacky to throw colleagues under the bus, so I tend to stay away from areas where I had limited influence. I'm pretty happy with the work we did overall, and very proud of the team we were able to build.

Why am I spending all this effort to explain my role on another game? Because I don't want you or any other player to worry what my work on League means for the future of the game. While I think there are contributions I can make, I'm not interested in overhauling League by any stretch, and Riot would never let me get away with making dramatically bad choices that negatively affected our flagship, our only, product.

So, if I may, here are some distinctions between truth and rumor, offered in the spirit of getting to know me better.

1) I'm not super interested in compromising LoL design in the name of accessibility. Yes, League is obnoxiously hard to learn if you don't have a friend showing you the ropes. That sucks, but it's not worth stripping away the depth or potential for mastery for our core audience -- you guys -- in order to attract new players. That's not an approach every game can or should take, but it's the right call for League.

2) I never played a Frost mage in WoW, or any caster really. I played healers and melee. Frost was hard to balance in WoW because of the kit of control plus burst, and I'm fine taking flak for that. But it wasn't because I wanted to dominate in PvP with my character. I would have been fired for that. It was hard in general to balance combat and rewards for a game with both PvE and PvP components. It's very nice to be on a game that is emphatically competitive, team-based PvP.

3) I feel that melee in League need some love. Somehow that got turned into me hating melee. Thanks, internet. Pointing out flaws in something you want to fix and hating something are pretty far apart on the spectrum.

4) I don't balance League. We have a balance team that does that, and the strategy they employ is rigorous and grounded (but not dictated) by a lot of data-collection as well as public perception. Again, if you think we made a mistake in a design change or the lack of one, please hold me accountable. But you're better off having the discussion with one of the devs actually on the front lines there. They can explain the full context behind their decision-making process.

5) I care enormously about player feedback and trust. That is why I spend so much time reading forums, Reddit and Twitter (@occupygstreet). In fact, that is one of the things I love about Riot and why I wanted to come work here. Anyone from my WoW days will tell you, I hope, that even if they disagreed with a design, they appreciated the effort I made to explain our reasoning and hear out their concerns. And this is the TLDR really. I have always been very vocal in my communication with players. I didn't intend to be the spokesperson for WoW, but my name was recognizable by a lot of players, and when they wanted to complain about something, they wanted to focus on a name. Again, I can take it. But that doesn't mean I called every shot on WoW and neither do I for League.

6) I do like ponies, gin and long walks on the beach. That part is true.

I'd love to meet as many of you as possible, and in person is even better. I'm going to be at PAX Prime next week. Hope to see many of you there!

GLHF,
GC


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OuttaControl56

Member

4 Weeks Ago

Have some gin/10 explanation.


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Hi Guys I Suck

Senior Member

4 Weeks Ago

Can we at least hope for an overhaul of the boring meta the game is in? Irritatingly long games, incredibly short team fights, among tons of other problems, have made the game very stale over the past year. Obviously we cant expect anything till after worlds, but is it something thats on the agenda?


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Giggle

Senior Member

4 Weeks Ago

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler View Post
[insert enormous wall of text here]
you are luck i was bored to dead, I actually read this >_>


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Dragvio

Senior Member

4 Weeks Ago

GGGC
(Good Guy GhostCrawler)


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Halcyn

Senior Member

4 Weeks Ago

Just so you know, Ghostcrawler is the reason I quit WoW and came to League of Legends.

Why?

Because the game composed of nothing other than Ranged Classes in PvP that dominated my favorite class, Warriors. He's still the same guy, different game, and will still bring the same plague here and kill this game as he killed my beloved WoW


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Noraver

Senior Member

4 Weeks Ago

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler View Post
4) I don't balance League. We have a balance team that does that
Have they been on vacation for the past year and a half?


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TyresiusMordekai

Senior Member

4 Weeks Ago

@Ghost I think it's pretty cool that you're here.

I always associated WOW with bad people because when ever I'd hear about people playing WOW it was the jerks in middle school, but I think it's real nice to have Riot Games hire you in; I've never seen it before.


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slaya45

Senior Member

4 Weeks Ago

Fun read! I think he was asking what you specifically did in wow to make everybody go "Lol remember what ghostcrawler did to wow?!?" The frost mage example was a good part. I don't know what expansions you were on the dev team for but I remember warlocks getting a lotta good stuff back in vanilla and WotLK. As well as disc priests getting butthurt because their "numbers weren't high enough (i think they were looking at the wrong numbers)"

Was there a specific wow example that you think changed the balance too much? Whether you meant to shift the game that way or not, it seems like the playerbase thinks this has happened.


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