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Do people REALLY think Islam is a Religion of Peace?

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Lightschampion

Senior Member

08-17-2014

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iimetros:
Not to mention there is around 2.3 Billion Christians in the world and 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world.

and if Christians can control themselves, why can't Muslims? There should be a Zero Tolerance policy in every country for killing people explicitly in the name of Allah, it's an absolute ****ing disgrace to the human Race that people kill for something they can't even prove is real.


You are right. Every murderer should be brought in for justice. The murderer and the murderer only. Not his family, not his neighbours, not his friends, not his community, not his country, not his continent.

You are using this fair point to somehow justify discrimination against all muslims even though the religion forbids it, this person is denounced and by islamic law would be executed, and the other muslims have nothing to do with it!

Surah Isra 17:33:
"Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law)."

5:32 Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

^ We are under the same commandment and it only shows how long this rule has been in effect for all god fearing people. Some people will insist we are twisting the words (which we are not and other specific scenarios we still apply as a general rule) so here are others.

"Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet said, "The biggest of Al-Kaba'ir (the great sins) are (1) to join others as partners in worship with Allah, (2) to murder a human being, (3) to be undutiful to one's parents (4) and to make a false statement," or said, "to give a false witness."

"Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: One of the evil deeds with bad consequence from which there is no escape for the one who is involved in it is to kill someone unlawfully."

Surah Furqan 25:68:
"Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment."


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Suicae

Member

08-17-2014

"Islam = evil"
"Muslims = terrorist"

Hue hue hue hue hue

Propaganda at its finest.

FYI He pretty much copied and pasted from this site

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Top-10-Reasons.htm


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IHelpKidz

Junior Member

08-17-2014

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iimetros:
Not to mention there is around 2.3 Billion Christians in the world and 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world.

and if Christians can control themselves, why can't Muslims? There should be a Zero Tolerance policy in every country for killing people explicitly in the name of Allah, it's an absolute ****ing disgrace to the human Race that people kill for something they can't even prove is real.


Good point, however it seems you are a very biased person. who says there are no christian terrorists? Just look at the IRA, a terrorist group that calls themselves true christians. Please do some homework before posting a major thread like this.

Fun Fact : Did you know Hitler was a Christian?

Thank You.


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Gespens

Senior Member

08-17-2014

REminder: All Abrahamic religions share the exact same root of Zoroastrianism


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puritee

Senior Member

08-18-2014

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iimetros:
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"By 2030 Muslims are projected to represent about 26.4% of the global population (out of a total of 7.9 billion people).[67] Several sources believe that this increase is due to conversion and reproduction.[68][69] However, according to others, including the Guinness Book of World Records, Islam is the world’s fastest-growing religion by number of conversions each year: "Although the religion began in Arabia, by 2002 80% of all believers in Islam lived outside the Arab world. In the period 1990–2000, approximately 12.5 million more people converted to Islam than to Christianity."[4] On the other hand, in 2010 the Pew Forum stated: "Statistical data on conversion to and from Islam are scarce. The growth of Islam from 2010 to 2020 has been estimated at 1.70%[67] due to high birthrates in Asia, the Middle East, and Europe. According to the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the World Christian Database as of 2007 has Islam as the fastest-growing religion in the world." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_religion

So what you are telling me is that the 1.6 billion population of the world that follow the religion of Islam are clearly delusional and irrational to accept it?

1. Where are you getting your numbers for point no. 1 from?

2. Do you have any specific examples?

3. "O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well… for your guidance in the battlefield! Do not commit treachery, or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy’s flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."

Read more: http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2013/01/law-and-religion/prophet-muhammads-rules-of-war-2#ixzz3AjuHgVOF

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) forbade even harming the trees, let alone women children or animals. And are you saying that the Arabs were so dense that they would follow a man to their death based on a simple proposition of pleasure? Many of them were even married. Doesn't make sense. What you should rather be analyzing is why were these men so willing to put their lives on the line for this person. What was so special about him? He was not a king, in fact he was illiterate, he was not a possessor of massive wealth... there were times when he would tie heavy stones to his stomach because he could not bear the pangs of hunger. All he had was his message and his motive.

4. If you want to judge a religion then judge it by its teachings, not by what its followers do. I cannot say Christianity is a bad religion because Ivan The Terrible was a gruesome king. It does not make sense.

And I don't know where you are getting your sources from but Fatima (ra) was actually smiling when she passed away. When asked about this by her husband, she replied, "I have an appointment today with the Messenger of God."

And Kaaba was built by the prophet Abraham (pbuh) as a place of worship for the ONE true God, not for pagan rituals. The descendants of Abraham (pbuh) later deviated from his message and started placing idols in it. However, this practice was abolished during the time of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) so I am not sure what you even mean by that. You need to check your sources.

5. Like the other person said, Muslims were only allowed to fight other countries if they are not allowed to teach the people in the country about Islam. Even then, they have to send a letter 3 days in advance before attacking.

6. I don't even know what to say to this. Name one Muslim army that went to Indonesia since the major religion in Indonesia is Islam. Many Muslims were killed in Myanmar in Burma but that does not imply that all Buddhist people are bad? I think are you living in a very narrow minded world my friend.

7. You fail to realize this is the same even in Christianity...

"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people." (deutronomy, 13:6)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+13

The reason being imagine if anyone could come and go out of religion as they please. How would this effect the person and others around him who follow the faith? Like a shop or store which a person can enter when he wants and leave when he wants, and it may encourage others to forsake the truth.

8. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuH) said, "Whoever kills a mu‘aahid (a non-Muslim living under Muslim rule) will not smell the fragrance of Paradise, although its fragrance may be detected from a distance of forty years." Bukhaari

9. The word "Muslim" means someone "who submits to the will of God" and submission here implies adhering to the laws and regulations set by God and refraining from things and actions forbidden by God. So anyone who worships God without associating or ascribing any partners with God or saying God has a son or a father, and testifies that like Moses, Abraham, Jesus, Jospeh, Muhammad (peace be upon them all) was also a prophet of God, is a Muslim. So my proposition to you would be if you want God to love you then you should submit to God, i.e acknowledge his existence and promote doing good while forbid doing bad as prescribed by God Almighty. How can you love someone who does not acknowledge your existence? Doesn't make sense.

10. That is a very common term for Muslims, it mean "God is the greatest." Muslims all over the world say this numerous times during their 5 daily prayers. I am not really sure what connection this has to the topic though...

Lastly, I would like to tell you that I think you may have been just randomly getting information without doing any actual research and we can see how harmful it is to skew the perspective based on dubious sources. If you want to judge Islam then judge it by the teachings of Islam, through the Quran and the actions/sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), not from people or from random sources of the internet. I would start by reading the Quran.


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Eggis2g

Junior Member

09-30-2014

are you collecting dislike or what?


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Ask Luxanna

Senior Member

09-30-2014

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IHelpKidz:
Good point, however it seems you are a very biased person. who says there are no christian terrorists? Just look at the IRA, a terrorist group that calls themselves true christians. Please do some homework before posting a major thread like this.

Fun Fact : Did you know Hitler was a Christian?

Thank You.


You put forth moronic, idiotic, stupid arguments.

1. The IRA's purpose was nationalism. They wanted an Ireland free of British rule. That was their goal. Not the superiority of Catholicism.

2. Hitler wasn't a Christian. You're an idiot if you believe that to be true. He viewed religion as nothing more than a tool to bring about the ideals of the National Socialism, and planned with his atheist cohort Goebbels to completely destroy Christianity in the future.

3. Muslim terrorists have no purpose other than to banish/kill infidels, destroy Israel, impose sharia law. Just look at Hamas, ISIL, Al Qaeda. Only an idiot would compare them to the IRA and say "whelp, terrorists are religious! they're the same thing" You are an idiot.