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Essence Reaver need a weaker version of it.

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lxl RockBall lxl

Senior Member

07-18-2014

Like I said need a mid-tier item to buil it because actually his recipe in a mirror of BT. Also reduce his total cost is huge, so here the mid-tier item:

Quote:
Venowolf:
The problem with this item are:

- the mana-leech
- his recipe
- total cost

Because the mana-leech is very useful in laning phase but after that is not very efficient also the amount of mana in the late is very poorly. Now is an high-cost item so is very difficult build him to the laning phase in the early. Where the essence reaver really have utility.

- His recipe any item give the mana that we want to the laning so his recipe is very weird.

- The cost is very high and not totally efficient like IE or BT so why build this item if i can build an BT with only 100g more.

So possible solution to the items are.

- Create a new item that give the mana-leech and replace the BFS in the recipe.
- Increase the mana-leech of the Essence Reaver
- Reduce the total cost

For Example:

New Item "Aeon Scythe" (I am not good with names)

Cost: 1450g

+35 attack damage
+10% cooldown reduction

Passive UNIQUE PASSIVE: Your basic attacks restore mana equal to between 2% and 7% of the physical damage dealt, based on your missing mana.

Buil into:

Essence Reaver:

Recipe : Vampiric Scepter + Aeon Scythe + 1000
total cost: 3250g

Stats:

+80 attack damage
+10% life steal
+10% cooldown reduction

Passive UNIQUE PASSIVE: Your basic attacks restore mana equal to between 5% and 10% of the physical damage dealt, based on your missing mana.

So with these changes Essence Reaver can be more viable in all the "senses".



I really want an Aeon Scythe version to build Essence Reaver!


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The5lacker

Senior Member

07-18-2014

Why are people obsessed with this idea that there has to be some advanced reagent for this thing?

FORBIDDEN IDOL. Grant the item 10 Mp5 as a base. Viola, we have a cheap mana sustain item for people to build if they need it that then builds into something relevant late game.


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Lachd

Member

07-18-2014

Quote:
The5lacker:
Why are people obsessed with this idea that there has to be some advanced reagent for this thing?

FORBIDDEN IDOL. Grant the item 10 Mp5 as a base. Viola, we have a cheap mana sustain item for people to build if they need it that then builds into something relevant late game.


Because it's cool? I DO WHAT I WANTTTTT! but seriously having a smaller version is more work for the team then just using forbidden idol but much cooler and the whole concept of the item is to get mana back by fighting not by standing around whilly nilly under a turret if you want the mana go get the mana


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The Lost Marbles

Senior Member

07-18-2014

I assumed the logic behind wanting a smaller version of Reaver was similar to why we have Tiamat. A weaker item that serves its purpose (mini-Reaver offering mana sustain early on, Tiamat offering waveclear), and then having an upgraded form that lets it pack more punch and keep up with other later purchases (Essence Reaver would go here, like Ravenous Hydra).

That's why I made it the way I did in that other thread, even using Forbidden Idol as a material for the smaller one because it does makes sense, like you say. That way, you could have some mana sustain and damage on a small item, instead of just sitting on a Forbidden Idol for a while.


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Lachd

Member

07-19-2014

well in reality we were stuck with Tiamat for years and it was kinda a joke item providing MP5 and HP5 insted of the HP5 and lifesteal and without the hydra upgrade but they turned it into a really good item for top laners and split pushing


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JustMyBassCannon

Recruiter

07-20-2014

Quote:
Venowolf:
Forbidden Idol not help in the item. WE NEED a mini-reaver because the mechanic is GAIN MANA hitting not STAY WHILE IN LANE AND GAINING MANA FOR NOTHING. So please make an mini-reaver version not need forbidden idol...

Are you thick?

The design of Essence Reaver is a mana sustain item for AD champions. Since that would usually apply to AD semi-casters like Talon and Jayce, it helps to have cooldown reduction. The problem, however, comes from the fact that the only current AD/CDR item is Brutalizer--something Riot definitely needs to fix--and spreading that ArPen around is not a good idea for balance at the moment.

Enter Forbidden Idol. It's a mana sustain item for a relatively cheap cost that also has cooldown reduction. If Essence Reaver built from BF Sword + Forbidden Idol, it would (a) explain the bonus CDR, and (b) allow the player to build mana sustain early on in the game. Y'know, the point where mana sustain actually ****ing helps?

You see, Mana is a power gate that's specifically designed to limit a champion's early game power output. That champion can either deal with the power gate early on, or they can build mana sustain to make it less limiting.

The champions who want Essence Reaver don't have the choice, because they have to build an item that uses BF Sword as a component for mana sustain. Either that, or they need Tear of the Goddess.


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JustMyBassCannon

Recruiter

07-20-2014

That. Is. The. Entire. Point. Of. The. ****ing. Suggestion.

Put MP5 into Essence Reaver. Now it actually has early sustain and a build path that justifies the CDR.

We don't need a miniature Essence Reaver.


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Lachd

Member

07-22-2014

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JustMyBassCannon:
We don't need a miniature Essence Reaver.


True but lots of us WANT a mini essence reaver


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JustMyBassCannon

Recruiter

07-22-2014

Quote:
Lachd:
True but lots of us WANT a mini essence reaver

A lot of people also want back Force of Nature as it was before it was removed.

A lot of people also want Innervating Locket.

A lot of people also want AP Mercurial and AD Zhonya's.

A lot of people also want Atma's Impaler to have back its 2% HP to AD scaling.

Just because people want irrational **** doesn't mean they get irrational ****.


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The5lacker

Senior Member

07-22-2014

Quote:
Lachd:
True but lots of us WANT a mini essence reaver

Only because you haven't gone through the apparently excruciatingly difficult process of actually thinking through whether your suggestion is necessary.

Spoiler alert: it isn't.