Rengar, Xerath, Skarner, and pretty much every recently reworked champion got an enormous thread collecting feedback before and after release along with in-depth discussions with Rioters, sometimes even before work on the rework began. Hell, I remember with Xerath you guys even polled the biggest Xerath players for thoughts on him.
So what about Gragas? He got a small thread hidden away in the community beta with the Rioter in charge barely communicating at all at any stage. The changes were already made and set in stone before collecting feedback.
As a Gragas main for ~15 months, I feel not only incredibly sad about the rework itself, but also ignored.
I'm sorry for going wayyyyyyyyy off-topic here (especially since it probably has nothing to do with you), but I just had to get that out. I won't say anything more.
EDIT: Man there's a lot of negativity in this thread. Now I feel a little bad for contributing to it. :P
Let's all get happy! Yay! <-- Like that!
Why even play Rengar now when tryndamere exists?
Roughly same split pushing power as old rengar
Same escape power
But now here's the big difference, when you force tryn to fight, he can ACTUALLY fight back.
Rengar can't do anything but try to ult and run away, but if they reveal stealth, well lol too bad for you. You barely tickle anyone anymore cat.
The problem with the Rengar rework...and may other reworks is that it breaks a niche and replaces it with nothing. It moves a character who had a defined role and a defined capability into the role of generic median champ who isn't terribly effective at anything.
Rengar was a stealthy high burst assassin who was also a strong split pusher, was a terrible bruiser, and had one of the weakest cc's in the game unless it was empowered (which nerfed his burst).
Now Rengar is a mediocre bruiser with mediocre pushing, mediocre burst, slightly above average but unreliable cc, and mediocre assassination power.
In short, Rengar excels at nothing and has no real niche. Rengar is the best champion for exactly...nothing.
The Xerath rework was mostly popular because it was set up to emphasize his role, Long Range poke/siege power. The Rengar rework is unpopular because it strips him of his role and leaves him with no new one. Rengar as he is now will never be a better choice then Jax or Lee Sin for a melee dps role. He will never be better than Shaco or Eve as a stealth assassin role. He will never be better than Shyvana or Renekton as a bruiser/initiator role. So what good is he? He isn't any good.
In all honesty.
If riot came out saying, we want rengar to be a split between a tank and an assassin, then nobody would be arguing.
The problem is, you can't have a champion that is mediocre and in-between two roles to ever be good.
Everyone wants and feels that quote on quote "pridestalker" shouldn't be a tank. WHy? because his champ design was made so that he is quote on quote "a true hunter".
What do you think guys. Should riot just tell everyone to stop thinking rengar is still an assassin and tell everyone to build him tank?
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