Is Ashe a viable support?

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ShiroHigu

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03-10-2014

Her hawkshot provides vision and pretty much all her attacks slow, so I'm kind of surprised everyone uses her as an ADC.

If she's not viable, is there a reason why other champions - Annie, for example - make better supports?


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allistrom

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03-10-2014

she is squishy as all heck, doesn't have a heal or reliable hard cc besides her ulti for an initiate, doesn't have an escape, and really needs some descent farm to not just be ignorable in team fights. That being said not that it can't work depending on how played and at what elo, but in general so many other characters that outshine her as support (or even as kill lane).


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icefrogy

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03-10-2014

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Originally Posted by allistrom View Post
she is squishy as all heck, doesn't have a heal or reliable hard cc besides her ulti for an initiate, doesn't have an escape, and really needs some descent farm to not just be ignorable in team fights. That being said not that it can't work depending on how played and at what elo, but in general so many other characters that outshine her as support (or even as kill lane).
yup, but she is even worse as an adc.


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Rawrful

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03-10-2014

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yup, but she is even worse as an adc.
What? She is an amazing ADC for teams that are filled with the low CC bruisers that are so popular nowadays because she brings hard engage from a role that normally lacks it.

Support Ashe's biggest problem is that she has a poor lane phase. Sure, her ult can be handy for mid game picks, but a slow isn't all that good as a peel for her ADC.

Think about it like this. Annie is a potent support because she has an INCREDIBLE lane phase with her two powerful ranged nukes, a huge range on auto attacks, and a very reliable good duration stun. When Annie hits 6 she has a massive AoE stun/nuke that spawns a sunfire-cape-bruiser in addition to her two huge nukes. Annie can engage fights late game with said giant AoE stun of doom. So she wrecks lane phase and wrecks mid game and is still very useful late game.

Compare that to lane phase of support Ashe. No hard CC, one nuke that is blocked by minions, and a free crit every now and then. She has a hawkshot for scouting her bush, but she has a free ward and good positioning for that anyways. At 6 she gets a single target nuke/stun skill shot.


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EmployeNumber427

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03-10-2014

Her ability to slow enemies and the fact that her E is basically a Scrying orb makes her somewhat viable. However, the only "hard" cc she has is in the ult and she also has no buffs for teammates unless she buys them.


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The Lord Mayor

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03-10-2014

Ashe is good in certain cases where the enemy bot lane is really kitable like Alistar or Blitzcrank, but against hard engagers like Leona and Thresh, Ashe is weak as ****.


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Warrrrax

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03-11-2014

Ashe utility just isn't as good as other supports such as Annie, Lulu, etc. Without much items her autoattacks wont be all that strong. Her pure utility is great for an ADC but inferior to otehr supports.


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GundayMonday

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03-11-2014

People have made it work. Crit Ashe Support looks pretty silly:
http://youtu.be/SpIiEhL-U00
(old video)


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Warrrrax

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03-12-2014

ANYTHING can work. that doesn't make it good or viable.