Why isn't anyone saying that Swain is OP?

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WeNeedADuck

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10-06-2013

If you guys say that Fizz is OP, take a look at Swain, he uses probably the same items than Fizz, but DFG and his E stacks with ignite and bang, you just got an extremely all-in op mid champ.


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Aexalven

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10-06-2013

Because he's trash


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WeNeedADuck

Member

10-06-2013

He does the same job as Fizz, but doesn't got his playful/trickster ability, but he got an self healing ultimate.


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KYU22

Senior Member

10-06-2013

DFG on Swain...? And the problem with Fizz is his mobility and trollpole. How do you have room to fit a DFG? I build RoA, sorcs, Zhonyas, Deathcap Liandrys, and some defensive item.


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WeNeedADuck

Member

10-06-2013

Swain uses RoA, sorcs, Zhonyas, deathcap and liandry, put an another extra item, called deathfire grasp, and start using it to stack with your E.
I'd say they have a pretty identical item build.


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LegacyEx

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10-06-2013

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Originally Posted by WeNeedADuck View Post
He does the same job as Fizz, but doesn't got his playful/trickster ability, but he got an self healing ultimate.
Swain doesn't nearly have the mobility that Fizz has.
Swain doesn't nearly have the instagib burst damage that Fizz has.
Fizz doesn't nearly have the sustained damage that Swain has.
Fizz doesn't nearly have the hp sustain that Swain has.

I don't understand this thread.


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Tayyzz

Senior Member

10-06-2013

Swain can't dodge just about every damn skill Fizz can and doesn't have a great escape like him. Ignite or grievous wounds on Swain and his R doesn't heal him for anything. Swain is good, yes, but he isn't as note worthy as Fizz is at the moment.


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March of Dimes

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10-06-2013

Swain is nothing like Fizz, lol.


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Psychotic Man

Senior Member

10-06-2013

swain suffers from the "item dependence" syndrome. He needs multiple items to scale into the monster you consider 'OP'. Unlike other champs, who generally hit a power spike after 1 or 2 items, he needs around 3 or items to hit his power spike, but when he does, no champion with 6 items can duel him without ignite (even then his healing gets so high, he can ignore any problems he faces when ignited).


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IS132ab5e9fd996a5c5fa17

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10-06-2013

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Originally Posted by Psychotic Man View Post
swain suffers from the "item dependence" syndrome. He needs multiple items to scale into the monster you consider 'OP'. Unlike other champs, who generally hit a power spike after 1 or 2 items, he needs around 3 or items to hit his power spike, but when he does, no champion with 6 items can duel him without ignite (even then his healing gets so high, he can ignore any problems he faces when ignited).
This.

Swain needs both significant AP and bulk (hp/armor/mr) before he can start wrecking people.

Fizz isn't as reliant on getting tanky because he can just evade the big skills that would instagib him or lock him down.


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