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@Morello: When you consider nerfing Support Zyra. Just remember one crucial thing....

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Ginga

Recruiter

10-05-2013

AP mid Zyra? Totally balanced.


If you nerf her because she's too good at supporting, know what will happen when you nerf a balanced champion? Before you nerfed her E's missile speed because she was too good bot? Still balanced at mid.

You metaphorically take a middle finger and jab it into the eyes of every player who occasionally send her mid.


So please oh please, when you feel like nerfing her. Consider doing it WITHOUT screwing over Zyra in her intended role. Pretty please? Remember how Blitzcrank used to exist as something other than a support long long ago? Yet now he really can't function outside of babysitting an ADC? Let's not have that happen to anymore champions. Remember how Alistar used to exist?


KEEP THIS BUMPED OR YOU'LL SUDDENLY FIND ANOTHER CHAMPION NERFED TO THE POINT WHERE SHE'LL REALLY NEVER BE ANYTHING BUT A SUPPORT EVER AGAIN.


PS - one more thing to consider. Maybe if you hadn't nerfed all the traditional supports multiple times in a row, maybe support players wouldn't have started supporting with Fiddles, Annie, and Zyra instead.


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The Eena

Senior Member

10-05-2013

I'm sorry but the Pros dictate the meta, and utility mid laners are the new support.


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Blade of Justic

Recruiter

10-05-2013

You act as though Morello has any qualms about nerfing a champion into oblivion.

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Magna Regis

Junior Member

10-05-2013

I also don't really think Zyra needs a nerf.

That being said, if Riot did indeed want to nerf support Zyra without nerfing her mid build, the solution is simple: shave off some of her base damage and give her a slight AP ratio boost. Now AP Zyra will actually be buffed in terms of late game while support Zyra becomes slightly weaker while still retaining the CC that makes her viable.


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LVNsNASmurf

Senior Member

10-05-2013

Imagine if support champions were worth playing.

Oh, Sona and Soraka would be healbots, Taric would an an immovable gem, and alistar wouldn't be milkable.


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Iverna

Recruiter

10-05-2013

Nerf the range on her root. Balanced.


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Ginga

Recruiter

10-05-2013

Quote:
Blade of Justic:
You act as though Morello has any qualms about nerfing a champion into oblivion.

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Hey atleast they finally (attempted) to bring him back with a rework.


We gonna see Alistar being used anytime soon? Blitzcrank in a serious game where he isn't a support?


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Blade of Justic

Recruiter

10-05-2013

Quote:
Ginga:
Hey atleast they finally (attempted) to bring him back with a rework.


We gonna see Alistar being used anytime soon? Blitzcrank in a serious game where he isn't a support?


I still can't tell if the Olaf rework is a buff or nerf.

I can kill people but I can't seem to kill them fast enough.


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Ginga

Recruiter

10-06-2013

Buff or nerf. When it comes to rework, Riot often spends the next patch or three rebalancing the reworked champion so he'll be fine.


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chumbler

Senior Member

10-06-2013

The problem with Zyra is that her ult is really stupid.