So you're planning to "Scaridize" talon?

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Ferr3t

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08-20-2013

[QUOTE=Oderlin;40871295]If you can buy armor to counter Master Yi, Trynd, Zed, Kha, their ADC, or any AD and if you can buy magic resist to counter leblanc, kassadin, or any AP burst, why can't you do the same to negate Talon's damage? If he can't burst you down, you can kill him easy. We're talking about a champion who go All-in. If he miss, he's dead. We're not talking about Kha who can go all in, and jump away. Or even talking about master Yi who can go untargettable and have reset on his skill. /QUOTE]

Please pay attention to what people say. It's not that he's going to kill you no matter what, it's that he's going to get his full amount of damage off no matter what. That is a bad thing, not just for Talon's opponents but also for Talon. It means he has to remain nerfed into the ground, because if he isn't then he's going to be insanely frustrating to deal with. Talon's numbers are terrible. They need to be terrible. If they were good, then his kit would be absolutely destructive and GD would be filled with threads about how "Talon OP plz nerf."

Give him counterplay, and now he can actually be allowed to make an impact on the game.


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Khristophoros

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08-20-2013

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Originally Posted by SouL1ess View Post
Did you even read what I wrote.

It's after the "Condemn Range Reduction" patch.

Talon's silence is not instantaneous.

If they walk up to each other, Vayne can still cast Condemn when Talon gap-closes.
If it's not instant how come Kassadin can't trade Q for his E?


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Insoy

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08-20-2013

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Originally Posted by Khristophoros View Post
Again we're talking about rare edge cases. Best case scenario is everyone learns how to use the edge cases, and then they still can't counterplay Talon because they're not playing the handful of champs who have these tools.

So even then Talon can't be buffed in his current state.
They're not a handful of champs that have what tools? Silence? Gap closer? Nuke? Kassadin? Easier to play than talon. That I can assure you. Those rare edge cases will remain rare because of the fact that you never give people a chance to grow on the game or learn characters. It will be rare if this is the decision and plans they do to every single champ.


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Lord Graves III

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08-20-2013

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The game is already easy enough yet you think what MegaZero does is amazing?
You have your head up your butt. League of Legends is a very very hard to play game. It takes many many hours of work to reach a level of play where you aren't bottom dumpster wood league dead weight.

Just take a minute and list the mechanics of the game. List all the things you need to know to play.


League is ****ing hard. Just because we have put that time in doesn't mean the game isn't hard.


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Interceptor09

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08-20-2013

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Instant silence that outranges most abilities which forces Talon's target to receive his full burst before they can do anything. That is the definition of no counterplay.
counterplay:
stay at a safe distance if u cant eat his combo and win the trade.
armor
call for a gank
ward if hes roaming

so yea, there is counterplay for Talon. this game is just getting homogenized, and the excuse is no counterplay. Olaf? no counterplay. Rengar? no counterplay. silence? no counterplay. I guess Kassadin is next right? and Shaco can still invis, better fix that asap. Teemo has a blind - no counterplay there. there really isnt any counterplay to CC either... whoa - suddenly theres tons of stuff in LoL with no counterplay.

lets just have 4 champs: melee, ranged, mage, healer. that should make it simple enough, huh Riot.
this is a joke, and I dont play Talon, or Rengar.

I wouldnt be surprised to discover Riot is purposely killing this game.


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Gespens

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08-20-2013

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If Riots is reworking Talon, they should rework kassadin. Lower Q range, lower his slow, add more sec on his ult CD. Kass have less counterplay than Talon.
That isn't either a rework, or Talon's problem.

A rework is where you actually change aspects of a kit, for example, shifting power and mechanics around (Karma), adjusting how they scale (Yi) or changing how the champion is actually played (the current iterations for Xerath and Rengar that are being tested).

Second, as mentioned in this thread, Talon's lack of counterplay is that when he drops his combo, you can't do anything, since it happens very fast and he stealths to get away. With Kassadin, if he RQEs you, you can still auto him as he walks away. Both have low counterplay, but at least Kassadin gives you the chance of auto attacking him.


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rathy Aro

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08-20-2013

I like how this thread is just people complaining about Talon nerfs (that are never going to happen nor have they been implied) and Insoy ignoring all the people who are trying to explain what counterplay actually means.


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Gløry

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08-20-2013

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Originally Posted by ZeroAnubisPain View Post
Wait.
Are they really going to rework Talon?
If not, what do you mean by Scaridize? Like, nerf?
to scaridarize something is to rework it and remove its unique aspects, and homogenize it.

and OP, that was quite a burn at the end there. "I can do your job in my free time."

daaang


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Gnomersy

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08-20-2013

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Instant silence that outranges most abilities which forces Talon's target to receive his full burst before they can do anything. That is the definition of no counterplay.
Build resists eat Talon's burst -> punch his face in afterwards. Buy oracles laugh as he tries to slink off with his ulti and finish the job. Counterplay. Sure it's itemization counterplay but not every single champion need to spend all day juking and jiving if Riot would understand that they'd probably find out that they could release a new champion that isn't game breaking unlike pretty much all of their more recent set.


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Blazinasian89

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08-20-2013

if you read the article they say nothing about reworking talon..just used as an example in the article..waste of time lmao..