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So you're planning to "Scaridize" talon?

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MegaBlaziken

Senior Member

08-20-2013

He didn't say "No counterplay" he said "Low counterplay." Yes, Talon has counterplay, you can pink ward when he ults, you can stay out of his range and harass him, etc. But the reason Talon has "Low counterplay" is because what can the opponent do when Talon actually jumps on them? His E silences, they can't respond with spells. His ultimate stealths him to make it even harder for his opponent to respond. And, in addition to this, he happens to have strong burst. That doesn't leave his opponents with many options besides "Stay out of his E range"

And the reason that Talon has a weak early game, the reason that he is in fact so weak, is because if he were strong, he would end up being so frustrating to play against.


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ZzLegendary

Junior Member

08-20-2013

#SaveTalon2013


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Ferr3t

Senior Member

08-20-2013

Actually, he doesn't have counterplay.

He has counters, yes, but that's not what counterplay means. It means that, barring a barrage of hard cc focused on him, Talon is going to get off a full combo at least once in any given teamfight, no questions asked. It's not about whether it will be effective or not, it's the fact that you can't stop him whether it is or not, which is not fun to play against.


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Khristophoros

The Council

08-20-2013

Quote:
Mr Quadratic:
Kassidin pls.


Kass Q is less range than Talon E and is not instant. It actually has a casting time and flight time. It takes about 3/4 of a second to reach a target at max range. Talon's is literally instant and longer range.


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Raincall

Senior Member

08-20-2013

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Khristophoros:
Instant silence that outranges most abilities which forces Talon's target to receive his full burst before they can do anything. That is the definition of no counterplay.


Yet he is never picked at pro level. Seriously, most of the coutnerplay bull**** is based on theoretical approaches to the problem. Why don't you show me a collection of videos where Talon systematically destroys enemies without allowing counterplay?


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King Roofus

Recruiter

08-20-2013

Quote:
Khristophoros:
Instant silence that outranges most abilities which forces Talon's target to receive his full burst before they can do anything. That is the definition of no counterplay.

Do you mean the champion that is supposed to kill mages is doing his damn job? No ****ing way.


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PallasAthens

Senior Member

08-20-2013

Quote:
Khristophoros:
Instant silence that outranges most abilities which forces Talon's target to receive his full burst before they can do anything. That is the definition of no counterplay.


Damn, you make him sound so overpowered that he's been picked/banned in every LCS match.

OH WAIT. No. Pros know Talon sucks. Noobs know Talon sucks but looks like that Assassins Creed guy.

Yeah, good job, keep nerfing champions that already suck.


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Luxanna C

Senior Member

08-20-2013

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Insoy:
Do you remember the rework for Kayle when shurelia did it? Well this is almost probably worse



Kayle was a whole lot after the rework.

The armor and mr shred was underrated.


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PallasAthens

Senior Member

08-20-2013

Quote:
Fed0raFerret:
Actually, he doesn't have counterplay.

He has counters, yes, but that's not what counterplay means. It means that, barring a barrage of hard cc focused on him, Talon is going to get off a full combo at least once in any given teamfight, no questions asked. It's not about whether it will be effective or not, it's the fact that you can't stop him whether it is or not, which is not fun to play against.


It's fun winning against them because Talon can't carry or do anything.


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Insoy

Senior Member

08-20-2013

Quote:
Khristophoros:
Kass Q is less range than Talon E and is not instant. It actually has a casting time and flight time. It takes about 3/4 of a second to reach a target at max range. Talon's is literally instant and longer range.

so you are just going to ignore my post? about vayne and ezreal getting away even tho silenced? k