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Heart Seeker Strike Overbuffed for Rank 1

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Eninya

Senior Member

12-02-2010

Quote:
Bugszor:
Bad cho is bad for not getting MR...


Both abilities described to physical.

It's easy to avoid getting hit with a full HSS and Judgement, so, while the max damage is quite high, the actually chance of dealing it all is rather low. A perfect example is Katarina's Death Lotus. It's easy to escape on its own, but deals massive damage if caught in the entire thing.


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Razeluxe

Senior Member

12-02-2010

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Eninya:
Both abilities described to physical.

It's easy to avoid getting hit with a full HSS and Judgement, so, while the max damage is quite high, the actually chance of dealing it all is rather low. A perfect example is Katarina's Death Lotus. It's easy to escape on its own, but deals massive damage if caught in the entire thing.


Exactly and Pantheon has a stun to keep you there, Garen has no stun or slow or snare (just some crappy MS boost) so the comparison is invalid.


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Moe Moe Omurice

Senior Member

12-02-2010

that **** HURTS

until i got my chainvest

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Guinsoo

Recruiter

12-02-2010

I ran this exact same calculation and scratched my head also.

Was incorrect about the scaling point.


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Nagus

Senior Member

12-02-2010

Enemy Zilean QQing about my massive HSS dmg.

Do the same thing to Karthus, HSS does 1/8th his hp due to him getting a RoA.

Look at Zilean items. All AP.

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Razeluxe

Senior Member

12-02-2010

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Guinsoo:
I ran this exact same calculation and scratched my head also.


Pantheon is .28 x 2 damage to champions, 5 ticks = 2.8
Garen is .35, 6 ticks = 2.1

Err?

Edit: Guinsoo ninja edited out where he said "it scales better over duration"


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Talamare

Senior Member

12-02-2010

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Guinsoo:
I ran this exact same calculation and scratched my head also.

Garen's Judgment also scales better (over the duration) than Pantheon's Heartseeker Strike. The new one.


Something like that~

Late Game
HSS = 120 + 400%
Garen = 570 + 210%

Using a basic inequality formula, says Pantheon needs at least 237 AD to do more damage than Garen

400% of 237 = 948 + 120 = 1068
210% of 237 = 497 + 570 = 1067

Oh this is assuming Garen has 0% crit chance ----- with infinity edge, crit damage runes and 100% crit chance, Garen will technically do 570 + 651% AD (which is higher than pre-nerfed bugged Pantheon HSS)


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Virginity

Senior Member

12-02-2010

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Talamare:
To add insult to injury

Fiddle Drain = 60 + 9.6 (20 AP BOOK) * 5 = 348


LOL So Fiddle is more OP than Garen AND Pantheon.!!


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fredyybob

Senior Member

12-02-2010

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Talamare:
With a Long Sword and Offensive Masteries, Pantheon can reach about 70 AD at level 1

His HSS deals - 4+28% * 2 (Double Damage) * 5 his AD = 40+280% = 236 * 1.05 = 247 damage

With Armor Pen mastery and runes, You will literally take all that damage


Compared to say -- Garen
15 + 35% AD * 6 = 90 + 210% = (70 AD) 237 * 1.05 = 248

huh... Garen is still stronger at lv1... nevermind then


i loled


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C00LST0RYBR0

Senior Member

12-02-2010

Pant hits 6 times with HSS, should be 5 imo. I wrote a bug report on that.
You also have to consider, magic damage only does like 80% of the damage at level 1 because you can't penetrate 30 MR. You sure as hell can penetrate 30 armor though, with runes/masteries. This means you will deal full ability damage to the enemy champion.

What makes the damage so high, is that it does double damage to champions.