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Pick Order vs. Call Order

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Riot Socrates

Systems Designer

05-16-2013

Summoners,

As you all know, we value communication and collaboration above all when it comes to choosing roles in ranked games. According to the Player Behavior team's studies, teams that cooperate together have a greater chance to win. Naturally, cooperation and communication is something we want to encourage within all games of League of Legends.

That said, we do know that there have been some problems with coming to an agreement at champion select, and many players have defaulted to one of two systems: Pick Order – where players higher on the pick list have first choice of their role – and Call Order – where players believe whoever “calls” a role first gets the right to it. For a while, we've been asked what our own official stance is on Pick Order versus Call Order and, after much consideration, we've ultimately decided to endorse Pick Order over Call Order as an underlying system. There are many reasons why Pick Order works better to encourage communication and cooperation in teams:

  • Players with faster load times shouldn't have an unfair advantage in Call Order
  • Pick Order occurs naturally in the current design, so it's more intuitive
  • Over time, players get an equal number of opportunities to be each pick slot
  • Players shouldn't have to race to type a position at the start of each match

At this point we would like to stress, once again, that Pick Order should not be the first thing players turn to in determining who plays what role in ranked games. Pick Order is meant to be a last resort when settling discussions - this is why we are endorsing it and not mandating it. Communication and collaboration are still the most important things when it comes to playing ranked games, and we hope players will continue to uphold the Summoner's Code in all of their matches. If you refuse to communicate with your team and rely only on Pick Order to determine your role selection, you are still being a toxic player and this will reflect negatively upon you. By officially endorsing Pick Order, however, we are hoping this will give more structure to players and may help settle some disputes. And, of course, this isn't the only thing we're doing to address champion select as a process. <a href="http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=35559365" target="_blank"><strong>For more information on our long-term plans, turn to this discussion with Lyte, status kwoh, and davin</strong></a>. We've also included a mini-FAQ for players who have further questions on our endorsement of this philosophy.


Happy hunting,

Socrates


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Riot Socrates

Systems Designer

05-16-2013

  • Q: How will Riot be able to enforce this?

A: The short answer is it won't be strictly enforced. We want to create an environment that encourages collaboration when creating team comps. Strict enforcement here could potentially obstruct that. However, in the event that somebody is breaking the Summoner's Code in champ select, players can use the existing reporting tools like the tribunal.


  • Q: I'm last pick and I have no idea how to play the role left to me – so I get reported either way. What do I do?

A: It's best to go into ranked with at least a basic grasp of how to play every role. Having said that, behavioral and game skill reporting is handled differently. Receiving an ‘unskilled player' report can't result in a ban.


  • Q: I ALWAYS end up last pick so this will have a significantly negative impact on me – how does pick order even get decided?

A: On average players should be seated in each pick order roughly the same number of times over a large enough set of games.


  • Q: So if I play with a friend who's significantly higher ranked than me, I will never have a choice in my role?

A: In this specific case, you could ask your friend to make a pick for you and then trade. More generally it's pretty rare to find a team who all insist on playing specific positions. It's worth communicating your strongest and weakest positions to your team since usually a compromise can be found.


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DeathstarsOG

Senior Member

05-16-2013

first?

Edit:
You can't downvote me, Riot says Pick order owns call order and it looks like i'm on top.


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AlcoholicKitsune

Senior Member

05-16-2013

What? O_o

EDIT: Okay, so I've read this. Needless to say, I don't think this really changes anything; hopefully people will still try and co-operate on who can do the following roles and who does better at what. I pray that Riot endorsing this doesn't change anything.


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Pe525mmx

Member

05-16-2013

Finally, I hate having first pick and having the last pick choose a lane first~


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Rynhardt

Senior Member

05-16-2013

Thank you thank you thank you thank you, bookmarked and ctrl-c'd permanently.


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byrdman77

Senior Member

05-16-2013

Woohoo tired of the last pick mid or feed shenanigans. I will say that's a bit annoying for duo Q with always being last pick, but you have a duo advantage so it's fine I guess.


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Kinvaras666

Senior Member

05-16-2013

D:

The draft bullies won.

Sad day, sad day...

Quote:
Riot Socrates:
[*]Over time, players get an equal number of opportunities to be each pick slot

BTW, That's a giant lie.
I played 50 games and where last pick every single one of them,
before I finally found someone to duo, then I was higher than him.


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Ridiculed

Member

05-16-2013

Oh gosh...
It's about darn time guys.

Glad you guys finally made a choice.

Also, you should probably sticky this so more people see it~


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Subzerosmokerain

Senior Member

05-16-2013

Agreed, there shouldn't be any bias to one player or another based on their machine, pick order is unbiased (to a fair degree) enough to make it so that if you got in first that you should get your choice first.