Two Support Questions

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Trrees

Senior Member

05-10-2013

So I played my first placement match and it was a dominant win, thank god. But I have some support questions since I'm guessing its going to be hard to play mid many times.

1. What do I do when my team is losing, the other team has more map presence, and I need to ward. Teammates constantly complain about lack of wards but also I don't want to be caught out when trying to ward. Any suggestions?

2. What items really help against a heavy AD composition team? I know that if my team has a lot of auto attackers I love Zekes but I've never tried Randuin's or Frozen Heart. I usually play Janna or Lux support, would those items work well?

Thanks


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Cavo

Senior Member

05-10-2013

1) Get vision on the other team or somehow figure out where they are before you run headfirst into bushes to drop your wards.

2) No. Aegis and Bulwark are obvious choices, you don;t have to upgrade to bulwark if the other team doesn't really have ap. Locket is really nice for the absorb. Tbh, I'm a fan of running support Janna or Lux as ap. Get the ruby sightstone and then go for morellos and deathcap while your jungler gets the runic/locket. But this is a personal preference.


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TooBeastIy

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05-10-2013

1) i personally would not build my items but load up on 10+ wards at time and litter them all over the jungle and grab an oracles if i have the cash for it since vision is more important then ur items imo when it comes to the team.

2) for janna i get bulwarj if needed but generally i stay in the back and just kinda help the carry kite. frozen heart or randiuns could work but thats if they have heavy AD and almost no AP


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Aearth

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05-11-2013

1) have your team go with you and ward as a group (bad teams wont do this, let them yell at you and don't ward if its not safe), if you can keep the vision up at all times you know when its safe to go replace your wards right before they expire, if you have vision of the other team or if you have a teammate with spells that can grant vision (easy example ashes hawk shot) use those to make sure its safe

2) Frozen Heart is a good counter to anyone whose primary source of damage is auto attacks, it effectively reduces auto attack damage by 20%, randuins doesn't do as much because that champions focus has to be on you so it works better to have it on your bruiser/initiator. locket is great for the shield. Bulwark gives some armor but not a ton. if you see them stacking a very heavy AD team think about going with a taric pick or see if someone can jungle/top on J4 (he can work as a support but its not his strongest position)


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Lucentile

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05-12-2013

1. Tell them you need an escort. If they won't, then drop wards near your safe zones (the bushes by your tower/base,) but don't get caught out. I've given up warding areas I can't reach safely because dropping a ward or two isn't worth dying for.

2. Frozen Heart. If possible, communicate who is getting what auras early in the game. Some tanks will want to take Aegis, so you might be able to skip building that and go straight to one of the other aura items.


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Gabelous

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05-12-2013

Frozen Heart is moot if you are a ranged support, if you are close enough for the aura to affect the whole fight then you are doing something wrong. Items like that are generally for tanky bruisers.

Generally supports do three main functions.

1. Protect the carry to help them get kills and CS.
2. Ward their lane and dragon.
3. Help the team in fights using whichever abilities you have.

Supports should NOT be asked to ward the whole map after laning phase. Mid, top, and jungler have been warding their respective areas (ideally) so why do all of a sudden you have to compensate for their warding?

If you don't know how to ward properly in general you want to ward objectives (dragon, baron) as well as the jungle entrances/exits. If you don't know where to place them and the lanes are see-sawing, putting them in the river near the jungle entrances/exits is usually a good spot. Once you have momentum and your team is pushing you can ward the enemy jungle as well, usually by the golem/lizard and any spot that has three or more paths running through it.


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Trrees

Senior Member

05-12-2013

Thanks for all the help!