Nerf anything with burst potential

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Vexful

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04-15-2013

Ever go into a game and remind people to use pink wards for shaco and they say something like "Whatever, he sucks". Soon after you see their 0/3/0 and shaco going to another lane? First thing they type? "stupid op shaco". Logic


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LordTobiothan

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04-15-2013

Incorrect, the title should say "Nerf FREE burst potential"

Assassins wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have high base, high scaling, free escapes, refreshing cooldowns, and in the case of ad assassins moderate to high dps after the burst.

The burst of a fed mage, coupled with the base damage of a bruiser, coupled with the dps of an adc + the "save me" utility of a support.

Too much if you ask me. And yet all people want nerfed is the burst.


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Swift Gambit

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04-15-2013

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Incorrect, the title should say "Nerf FREE burst potential"

Assassins wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have high base, high scaling, free escapes, refreshing cooldowns, and in the case of ad assassins moderate to high dps after the burst.

The burst of a fed mage, coupled with the base damage of a bruiser, coupled with the dps of an adc + the "save me" utility of a support.

Too much if you ask me. And yet all people want nerfed is the burst.
Their kits are designed to make them strong early-mid game, that's kind of the point. Meanwhile standard mages like Xerath/Anivia can tear teams apart easily late game, that's where they are meant to shine. Karthus is unstoppable late game, but he gives up his early game to compensate.

I would rather put up with 11-0 Katarina over 11-0 Karthus or 11-0 Anivia any day honestly, even with Resets and escapes etc.

Their high base damages suffer because of their ratios later on, and the fact that they are usually glass cannons of doom.


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LordTobiothan

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04-15-2013

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Their kits are designed to make them strong early-mid game, that's kind of the point. Meanwhile standard mages like Xerath/Anivia can tear teams apart easily late game, that's where they are meant to shine. Karthus is unstoppable late game, but he gives up his early game to compensate.

I would rather put up with 11-0 Katarina over 11-0 Karthus or 11-0 Anivia any day honestly, even with Resets and escapes etc.

Their high base damages suffer because of their ratios later on, and the fact that they are usually glass cannons of doom.
Assassins have some of the best ratios and cooldowns in the game (the things that scale you to late game).

and id much rather face an 11-0 karthus and ani then one 8-0 kat, the kat will wreck you and get away, the other two will only wreck you and probably die.


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Zero Suit Senpai

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04-15-2013

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Assassins have some of the best ratios and cooldowns in the game (the things that scale you to late game).

and id much rather face an 11-0 karthus and ani then one 8-0 kat, the kat will wreck you and get away, the other two will only wreck you and probably die.
An 8-0 Kat will wreck you and get away.

An 11-0 Karthus will get wrecked and then get a penta.


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Swift Gambit

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04-15-2013

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Assassins have some of the best ratios and cooldowns in the game (the things that scale you to late game).

and id much rather face an 11-0 karthus and ani then one 8-0 kat, the kat will wreck you and get away, the other two will only wreck you and probably die.
You're implying that they all have high ratios which allow them to scale in late game. However they do not scale as hard or even close into late game as champs such as Anivia or Karthus. So no compared to champions like those, they have terrible ratios. Just because Katarina's ult has a high ratio doesn't mean she can come close to what karthus' E can do.

The ratios on their other skills are usually rather low to compensate and you must build complete damage to continue 'rofl stomping'.


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Swift Gambit

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04-15-2013

Meanwhile that Rod of Ages has completed its cycle and they become tanky with high amounts of damage, this is what makes those champions really strong. If we took that niche away why would you pick those champions? It is the same thing to take away an assassin's burst potential.


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LordTobiothan

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04-15-2013

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You're implying that they all have high ratios which allow them to scale in late game. However they do not scale as hard or even close into late game as champs such as Anivia or Karthus. So no compared to champions like those, they have terrible ratios. Just because Katarina's ult has a high ratio doesn't mean she can come close to what karthus' E can do.

The ratios on their other skills are usually rather low to compensate and you must build complete damage to continue 'rofl stomping'.
Her R kills much faster then karthus' entire kit, and it drops three people, which then not only refreshes her 0.6, 0.6 0.4 ratios, but her ults back up.

Karthus ratios are abysmal, his ult has the same ratio as two of Kats skills, karth is a dps mage so comparing the two doesn't work because karthus was made to sit around and do damage, not burst.

Ani has 0.5 and 0.5 (possibly 1.0) and then her low ratio Dot ult.

Neither of them have better ratios then kat, and kats base damage is higher then both of them. Those two in particular are bad examples because they have aoe DoT skills.

Even a real burst mage like annie, has a lower combined ratio then kat does. on base skills kat has a 1.6 total while annie has 1.45 and kats ult at full duration (which is really short btw, 1.5 seconds OP) has a better ratio then tibbers.

Kat has better base and ratios then the lot of them, and she can shunpo out of a sticky situation with a free damage reduction, and refreshing abilities.


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Ridiculed

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04-15-2013

Sorry I'm bad a putting input,
but I will bump so more people see this and learn~






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Swift Gambit

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04-15-2013

Bump


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