New Lissandra Lore: Another Dark Magic Chick

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Gentlecat

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04-03-2013

I'm usually the first to support Riot, but this is getting a little ridiculous. Every one of the four Mage-type champion since Ziggs (over a year ago) has been written as the same generic evil witch character, and it's getting a little old. Diana, at least, was a bit special, but Zyra, Syndra, and Elise all smacked of the same boring brand of writing, and Riot acknowledged that this ended up damaging the popularity of these characters. So what do they do? Take a popular lore figure, the Ice Dervish, and retcon her into the Ice Witch, yet another evil for the sake of evil witch.

This is getting a little out of hand.


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Grimwolff

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04-03-2013

The lore has sucked ever since they brought in kitae to do it.


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Dr Snapped

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04-03-2013

And her kit is another symptom of the horrors of powercreep.


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fortide

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04-03-2013

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And her kit is another symptom of the horrors of powercreep.
Most kits nowadays have a lot of extra effects on them. See Jayce, Vi, Zac.


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Holy Malevolence

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04-03-2013

Diana's chaotic neutral.
Zyra, from what I can tell, is true neutral.
Syndra is chaotic I DO WHAT THE **** I WANT!!!
And Elise is a cultist for some random spider god.



Lissandra is pure, unholy lawful evil.
It's far different from stupid children like Syndra, plants wanting to survive like Zyra, truth seekers like Diana, and odd religious people like Elise.


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Grimwolff

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04-03-2013

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Diana's chaotic neutral.
Zyra, from what I can tell, is true neutral.
Syndra is chaotic I DO WHAT THE **** I WANT!!!
And Elise is a cultist for some random spider god.



Lissandra is pure, unholy lawful evil.
It's far different from stupid children like Syndra, plants wanting to survive like Zyra, truth seekers like Diana, and odd religious people like Elise.
Doesn't change the fact that the lore itself sucks.


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Gentlecat

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04-03-2013

I don't think her kit or design is bad; they're both actually pretty cool in my opinion. However, the problem arises in that they are not only releasing a 5th 'Dark Magic Chick' champion (the only kind of mage they've done in over a year) but retconning a fan favorite lore figure into something completely different for no reason.


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Acanthus

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04-03-2013

Syndra is more chaotic neutral or something (pursuer of freedom and power). Lissandra is lawful evil. Not sure about Diana's order/chaos alignment, as they fleshed out her personality fairly well, but haven't exactly fleshed out how she goes about much.

I agree that I have issues with the exact way the lore is written, but the concept of Lissandra is undoubtedly awesome.


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Eph289

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04-03-2013

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Doesn't change the fact that the lore itself sucks.
I used to go along with this argument.

And then I realized that it is virtually impossible to get gamers, of all people, to agree on when lore DOESN'T suck. No matter how rich or immersive or deep, the lore can never win.

I have had people tell me that KotOR I's story/lore sucks.

I have had people tell me that Starcraft II's story/lore sucks.

I have had people tell me that Fallout's story/lore sucks.

Does lore EVER win?

More importantly, can we ever set realistic expectations for lore, or are we going to remain angry about it until the lore is presented in a full-length film simultaneously directed by Joss Whedon and Christopher Nolan on a $500 million?

Forums complain (and rightly so): Lore is dead!
Riot brings back lore in new format.
Forums complain: Lore sucks! I hate the new format!

How much of this is just kneejerk against change?


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InertBlowfish

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04-03-2013

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Originally Posted by Eph289 View Post
I used to go along with this argument.

And then I realized that it is virtually impossible to get gamers, of all people, to agree on when lore DOESN'T suck. No matter how rich or immersive or deep, the lore can never win.

I have had people tell me that KotOR I's story/lore sucks.

I have had people tell me that Starcraft II's story/lore sucks.

I have had people tell me that Fallout's story/lore sucks.

Does lore EVER win?

More importantly, can we ever set realistic expectations for lore, or are we going to remain angry about it until the lore is presented in a full-length film simultaneously directed by Joss Whedon and Christopher Nolan on a $500 million?

Forums complain (and rightly so): Lore is dead!
Riot brings back lore in new format.
Forums complain: Lore sucks! I hate the new format!

How much of this is just kneejerk against change?
Who the actual **** told you that Fallout's lore sucked?

I will literally participate in fistacuffs with said person.


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