Tribunal favours the reportng players!

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paddystar11

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04-02-2013

Hello.
So i have been banned for 3 days and as i have read the 5 cases, i was suddenly very sad and exited, hot the tribunal works.

So first of all, you can only see the team&allchat at default, which does hide enemy toxic players. So if a enemy summoner flames 24/7 his teammates and reports someone from the enemy team, the tribunal only shows the "i will report you" and hides all the flaming.
Also, you can't see the reason why you have been reported anymore (e.g. Assisting enemy team).


So here is an example: i got reported by 1 enemy for a not known reason. (Reported by: enemy. Thats all what is there...).
This is what i wrote to deserve a report:

Fizz [All] [00:29:55]
Blitzcrank [All] [00:32:39] sniped
Blitzcrank [All] [00:32:44] gg just report zyra
Fizz [All] [00:33:01] honor zyra
Jax [All] [00:33:08] Oh come on, really.
Blitzcrank [All] [00:33:09] op community
Nidalee [All] [00:33:09] ggwp
I was the fizz and as i noticed that they didn't understood that i was beeing sarcastic, i told them in lobby afterwards. I don't realy know why i got still a report and why someone did punish me for this.
Also, the Tribunal REALLY needs a lobby chat and also the player who reported you, as this may be very imporant in the following example:
*I am Kha'zix and i died the first time*
Fiddlesticks [00:05:50] gd
Fiddlesticks [00:05:52] u r bad
Kha'Zix [All] [00:06:35] ofc
Fizz [00:06:53] naut afk ?
Kha'Zix [00:07:06] seems so
Kha'Zix [All] [00:07:42] gg wp
Kha'Zix [All] [00:07:47] karma is officialy op
Fiddlesticks [00:07:56] u r officially ba
Fiddlesticks [00:07:57] d
Kha'Zix [00:08:01] stfu noob
Kha'Zix [00:08:06] look your stats
Fiddlesticks [00:08:08] u lose vs karma
Kha'Zix [00:08:08] 2 deaths

So i have been provoced by the the toxic fiddlesticks and people tend to read the "purple" chat only. So in the punishment guys eyes i wrote this:
Kha'Zix [00:08:01] stfu noob
Kha'Zix [00:08:06] look your stats
The purple chat was actualy meant to help the Tribunals people to don't get lost in the chat, but it really seems like people tend to "analyze the purple chat" until they find toxic behavior and they click on punish. So it would be really usuful to only mark the reported player's name Purple instead of the whole text, so people would stop to scan the purple text without any knowledge of what happened exactly.
Here is another examlpe:

Akali [00:28:37] why ult for 1/4 wave ?
Taric [00:28:42] cause
Taric [00:28:45] i need gold
Taric [00:28:48] +ult is up in 60 seconds
Taric [00:28:54] don't understand your logic
Akali [00:28:57] your spell is enought for 1/4 wave
Taric [00:28:58] so you keep your ult better
Taric [00:28:59] then use it?
Akali [00:29:00] no need ult
Taric [00:29:06] i needed it
Nasus [00:29:09] no this akali good build
Nasus [00:29:15] have 0 hp xD
*later in the game*
[00:32:46] Report all my team

So people were just very angry in this game and started reporting everyone. Akali was very toxic too, as she didn't let me take botfarm without flaming me. Also nasus even flamed her more so she was mega-mad and reported everyone in the team with ezreal. The triubunal of course scanned again the purple chat and "scan" the following:
*nasus flamed akali for not buying health*

Taric [00:29:31] he is right
Taric [00:29:37] your W spell
Taric [00:29:38] does ****
Taric [00:29:42] when they pinkward

So i was a bit harsh on my languege, but i knew i could be it as the akali was not really a sensetive player. And how i allready said, i wanted to be helpful, even if i sweared.
Another thing is, that people don't really know the definition of spamming. I don't really see a reason why i got 2 reports in the game (1 ally 1 enemy), but i guess they reported it because of spamming.
Here is the whole chatlog:

Quote:
Kassadin [All] [00:00:04] gl hf
Miss Fortune [00:00:24] care for invade
Kassadin [00:00:49] WTF
Kassadin [00:00:50] how
Kassadin [00:00:51] OMG
Kassadin [00:01:00] xD
Kassadin [00:01:03] magic trick
Maokai [00:01:19] ?
Kassadin [00:01:24] look lulu
Kassadin [00:01:33] .....
Kassadin [00:01:35] why facecheck that
Kassadin [00:01:59] smiteless and go his red
Lulu [00:03:04] wp
Maokai [00:03:17] ward river
Lulu [00:04:56] wp mf
Miss Fortune [00:05:02] thx u2
Lulu [00:05:16] lee noflashg
Maokai [00:06:54] mf..what u doing
Maokai [00:06:56] kill s1
Maokai [00:06:57] rly
Kassadin [00:07:31] oom
Kassadin [00:08:04] wow
Kassadin [00:08:06] D:
Kassadin [00:08:10] gj^^
Lulu [00:08:12] ;d
Maokai [00:08:49] oom
Kassadin [00:08:50] we got late btw
Kassadin [00:08:57] and he got our blue D:
Kassadin [00:09:46] sry too greedy
Lulu [00:09:50] it was ok
Lulu [00:09:53] we got assists
Kassadin [00:09:57] ya
Kassadin [00:10:02] good thing is
Kassadin [00:10:04] lee got all kills
Malphite [00:10:10] ward
Lulu [00:10:11] not rly good
Kassadin [00:10:12] so lategame he is the only one who can harm us
Kassadin [00:11:03] wow ****
Lulu [00:11:06] ok, im ******, but wtf kass
Kassadin [00:11:08] now we threw it
Kassadin [00:11:09] ya
Kassadin [00:11:12] thought i could help you
Kassadin [00:11:18] but zyra got a lucky E
Kassadin [00:11:30] could not teleport away
Lulu [00:12:06] lol
Akali [All] [00:12:25] malph?
Kassadin [00:12:48] gjgj
Lulu [00:12:49] got pinkj
Lulu [00:13:33] WTF
Lulu [00:13:36] WTF
Kassadin [00:13:37] ya sorry
Miss Fortune [00:13:37] kassa..
Lulu [00:13:38] WTF
Kassadin [00:13:38] so greedy
Kassadin [00:13:45] but i really need gold
Kassadin [00:13:48] and i thought
Lulu [00:13:49] LOL
Kassadin [00:13:50] u are behind me
Maokai [00:13:55] get farm -.-
Kassadin [00:14:00] can't
Kassadin [00:14:02] lee 24/7 mid
Lulu [00:14:09] gosh
Kassadin [00:14:09] and zyra pushing so i don't get any at tower
Lulu [00:14:10] kass
Lulu [00:14:12] just farm
Kassadin [00:14:17] ya
Kassadin [00:14:19] that happens
Kassadin [00:14:21] someone comes mid
Kassadin [00:14:23] and takes it all
Kassadin [00:15:23] gjgj
Lulu [All] [00:15:52] LOL
Kassadin [00:15:54] lol
Kassadin [00:15:56] my luck
Kassadin [00:15:57] is op
Kassadin [00:16:04] ss top
Maokai [00:16:06] malph with tp would have saved us all
Kassadin [00:16:07] would've been kind
Kassadin [00:16:25] guys we got late
Kassadin [00:16:29] akali useless with oracle
Lulu [00:16:41] ---
Maokai [00:18:16] gj
Kassadin [00:18:19] ya idd
Kassadin [00:19:09] lulu
Kassadin [00:19:11] pls get pink
Lulu [00:19:21] dont drag now
Lulu [00:19:24] just let them
Lulu [00:19:50] --- drag
Miss Fortune [00:20:11] wait me
Miss Fortune [00:20:12] brb
Miss Fortune [00:20:38] we need to focus Akali
Kassadin [00:20:43] we need pink ward
Kassadin [00:20:44] then we can
Lulu [00:20:45] and lee
Kassadin [00:20:47] and we got
Kassadin [00:20:47]
Lulu [00:20:49] and zyra
Lulu [00:20:50] and cait
Maokai [00:20:56] malph save ulti to go on akali after she jumped mf
Kassadin [00:22:10] LOL
Lulu [All] [00:22:11] D:LDAD
Akali [All] [00:22:11] HA
Kassadin [00:22:11]
Lulu [All] [00:22:12] :ASDASDASD
Akali [All] [00:22:12] HAHAHA
Miss Fortune [00:22:12] lol
Kassadin [All] [00:22:13] xD
Kassadin [00:22:39] yeah they got lucky disengage
Kassadin [00:22:59] guys
Kassadin [00:23:02] i could really need farm
Lulu [00:23:15] u had enough time
Kassadin [00:23:19] ya
Kassadin [00:23:20] but then lee came
Kassadin [00:23:22] too often
Kassadin [00:23:47] reset drake maybe
Lulu [00:23:47] ---
Lulu [00:23:48] drag
Kassadin [00:23:55] kk
Kassadin [00:24:10] cait bot
Lulu [00:24:14] ..........
Lulu [00:24:16] we are 4
Lulu [00:24:17] 5
Lulu [00:24:19] they are 4
Kassadin [00:24:28] wait
Lulu [All] [00:25:30] THIS LAGS
Lulu [All] [00:25:31] HI TRESH
Lulu [All] [00:25:35] DELETE THIS HERO PLS
Lulu [All] [00:25:49] I MEAN ITS JUST STATIC IMAGE. NO MOVEMENT
Kassadin [00:26:55] D:
Kassadin [00:26:56] ---g
Kassadin [00:26:57] for raba
Miss Fortune [00:27:03] gonna take red
Kassadin [00:27:13] ---g
Kassadin [00:27:41] me b fast
Kassadin [00:27:46] or not....
Kassadin [00:27:48] need 10 g
Kassadin [00:28:02] omwomw
Kassadin [00:28:07] raba up^^
Lulu [00:28:42] fk
Lulu [00:28:44] ALL POKED
Lulu [00:28:45] hard
Kassadin [00:28:46] get homeguard
Miss Fortune [00:29:13] don't fight
Kassadin [00:29:13] me top fast
Lulu [00:30:04] LEE IS UP
Lulu [00:30:06] wp mao
Lulu [00:30:07] rly
Lulu [00:30:11] engages are too good
Kassadin [00:30:11] ya
Maokai [00:30:39] all b
Lulu [00:30:48] wp mao
Lulu [00:30:49] rly
Maokai [00:30:59] i got oracle
Lulu [00:31:03] however Cait makes it so easy for us when she flashes to all her team
Kassadin [00:31:03] AH nice
Miss Fortune [00:31:24] brb
Miss Fortune [00:31:26] coming
Lulu [00:31:27] here
Maokai [00:31:46] push mid as 5
Kassadin [00:31:47] MF
Kassadin [00:31:48] come
Maokai [00:31:49] wait mf
Kassadin [00:31:57] gogo
Kassadin [00:31:58] mao
Miss Fortune [00:31:58] just wanted a pot =)
Kassadin [00:32:08] getting blue
Kassadin [00:32:37] push mid
Kassadin [00:33:14] gjgj
Kassadin [00:33:52] gjgj
Maokai [00:34:01] dont get cought
Maokai [00:34:05] push top next
Lulu [00:34:13] --- nashor
Maokai [00:34:19] all top now
Maokai [00:34:29] team
Maokai [00:34:29] top
Maokai [00:34:34] sec lane push
Kassadin [00:35:29] be b
Lulu [All] [00:35:29] |THIS LAGS
Kassadin [00:35:30] def
Lulu [All] [00:35:32] TRESHG STOP IT
Thresh [All] [00:35:45] wtf
Lee Sin [All] [00:35:57] gg
Kassadin [All] [00:36:00] wpwp
Thresh [All] [00:36:10] bg
Lulu [00:36:11] mg
Lulu [00:36:13] focus nexusd
Maokai [00:36:21] MF KILL NEXUS
Maokai [00:36:22] WTF
Kassadin [All] [00:36:25] GG
Zyra [All] [00:36:30] wepeee
I don't really know what i did there wrong. I am actualy a person who does talk quite a lot, but spamming actualy means that i am saying unnecesarry things or spamming letters without a sence. But i was just commenting everything, people could ignore what i am saying or not, but reporting someone for talking a lot is REALLY harsh.

So i guess you guys get the point, why the tribunal should get a little rework as it leads to people missunderstanding the triubnal und scanning the purple text.
So here is a quick summary:

1: The worst thing is actualy: You don't see the reason why someone reported the player. You only see if the report was from an ally or an enemy.
2: People tend to scan the purple text-> Only have the reported player have a purple name instead of the whole text beeing purple.
3: Default filter is Allys+ enemy's allchat, although it may be that a toxic player is reporting everyone in the game.
4: People don't know WHO reported the player. In many cases, people just write things like "REPORT MY WHOLE TEAM" and they do it, which leads to 5 people getting punished without any good reason.
5: People are too sensitive in the tribunal, as someone told me he would also punish me for saying WTF or poo(the bad version :P).
6: I just looked up in my Tribunal Review and sadly i see, that everytime i punished someone the communitymajority actualy did the same and whenever i forgived someone, either the minority or barely anyone did that, too. And i have to say, that i was a very strict but i atleast read the whole case with any background information. So people often punish player where you wouldn't if you would've read all.
thanks for reading!


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SlamHannigan

Senior Member

04-02-2013

1.) You DO see the reasons why someone reports players.
2.) Scanning is irrelevant. If I see someone say "fkin noobs" or use a racial epithet or something, of course I'll punish. If I think I need to read more I will, but scanning is not tantamount to non-objectivity, especially since I've only run into once instance in 700 cases where reading deeper made me change my mind.
3.) That's taken into account, and doesn't excuse reportable behavior like what I mentioned above. If a player is reported, and they're in-game doing something reportable, I will punish, it doesn't matter what the circumstances of the report were. This isn't a situation where no crime occurred as long as you don't get caught. If you're reported and you were doing something reportable, then that's reason to punish.
4.) No it doesn't. Refer back to point #3. If you're reported and are doing something reportable, I'll punish. The context of who reported or why is irrelevant.
5.) I have never punished for someone tossing out the occasional "wtf" or cussing at their own mistakes, or at general misfortunes, because that isn't reportable. Cussing and insulting are two different things. Sensitivity isn't the point. It's not on the person receiving an insult to just tune it out, it's on the person doing the insulting to grow up or get out.
6.) I doubt this very much. If you have a low accuracy rating, you're either far too strict or far too lenient. And no, I read the cases and punish for punishable behavior. Don't tell me my mind would be changed if I spend more time on the case. It wouldn't.


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paddystar11

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04-03-2013

Quote:
Originally Posted by SlamHannigan View Post
1.) You DO see the reasons why someone reports players.
2.) Scanning is irrelevant. If I see someone say "fkin noobs" or use a racial epithet or something, of course I'll punish. If I think I need to read more I will, but scanning is not tantamount to non-objectivity, especially since I've only run into once instance in 700 cases where reading deeper made me change my mind.
3.) That's taken into account, and doesn't excuse reportable behavior like what I mentioned above. If a player is reported, and they're in-game doing something reportable, I will punish, it doesn't matter what the circumstances of the report were. This isn't a situation where no crime occurred as long as you don't get caught. If you're reported and you were doing something reportable, then that's reason to punish.
4.) No it doesn't. Refer back to point #3. If you're reported and are doing something reportable, I'll punish. The context of who reported or why is irrelevant.
5.) I have never punished for someone tossing out the occasional "wtf" or cussing at their own mistakes, or at general misfortunes, because that isn't reportable. Cussing and insulting are two different things. Sensitivity isn't the point. It's not on the person receiving an insult to just tune it out, it's on the person doing the insulting to grow up or get out.
6.) I doubt this very much. If you have a low accuracy rating, you're either far too strict or far too lenient. And no, I read the cases and punish for punishable behavior. Don't tell me my mind would be changed if I spend more time on the case. It wouldn't.
Well first of all, i still can't read the reason for a report. I will make a screenshot so you can see it.
Secondly, in another thread someone told me he would punish me for:

1#
Taric [00:11:24] wtf
Taric [00:11:59] vayne
Taric [00:12:01] such a troll

#2
Kassadin [00:00:49] WTF
Kassadin [00:11:03] wow ****

#3
Elise [00:29:10] u guys don't kill anyone
Elise [00:29:54] tristana
Elise [00:29:56] u must be trolling


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paddystar11

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04-03-2013

Maybe any serious opinions?


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OhBoyItsaMegaman

Senior Member

04-03-2013

If you want serious input, post the link to your reform card. Nobody is going to bother reading quotes that you've picked out and coming up with a judgment based on that. We want all the information.


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paddystar11

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04-03-2013

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Originally Posted by OhBoyItsaMegaman View Post
If you want serious input, post the link to your reform card. Nobody is going to bother reading quotes that you've picked out and coming up with a judgment based on that. We want all the information.
i did that once and suddenly people began to scan for the purple text....


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OhBoyItsaMegaman

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04-03-2013

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Originally Posted by paddystar11 View Post
i did that once and suddenly people began to scan for the purple text....
Give me an example of a chat log where you think that reading just the purple text would result in a Punish, but reading all of the text would result in a Pardon.


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paddystar11

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04-03-2013

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Originally Posted by OhBoyItsaMegaman View Post
Give me an example of a chat log where you think that reading just the purple text would result in a Punish, but reading all of the text would result in a Pardon.
the fiddlesticks thing. He insulted me and i was imitating him as a joke. Of course he suddenly reports me and well yeah... purplescanner are pressing punish


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OhBoyItsaMegaman

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04-03-2013

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Originally Posted by paddystar11 View Post
the fiddlesticks thing. He insulted me and i was imitating him as a joke. Of course he suddenly reports me and well yeah... purplescanner are pressing punish
Where is your proof that people punished you for that line? How do you know they didn't judge that to be acceptable behavior but then decide to vote Punish due to some other game?

Post the reform card.