Is Zac "OP"

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Rex Draconem

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03-31-2013

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Originally Posted by AdderTude View Post
CCs are bugged on him. Every time I've thrown a disable on him during Let's Bounce!, he continues bouncing despite being stunned, silenced, etc. and even then, the CCs don't go for the entire duration (e.g. a 1-second stun only activates for not even half a second during Let's Bounce!). He really should've stayed in the PBE to work out the kinks that are present in the live servers, particularly with crowd control.
its supposed to be like that. he has 75% CC reduction during Lets Bounce. so your 1 sec snare only lasts 0.25 seconds. and he is suppose to keep bouncing while CCed. in addition if he has merc treads then your snare will only last 0.1625 seconds.

also the PBE screamed that he was underpowered so they buffed him and buffed him

for the rectord, I think he is strong, not quite OP considering the counters he has such as his E being disrupted by almost any CC, his bloblets being smitable and other counters. they may want to reduce the CC reduction on his ult from 75% to maybe 50% though, that way there is still counterplay to his ult but a single stun doesn't make it completely useless.


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IamDeathmachine

Senior Member

03-31-2013

Darius is actually a huge counter to zac believe it or not. His pull can grab zack from the sling plus passive plus with zac's health cost just destroys him


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OT Shadow

Senior Member

03-31-2013

Zac has soo many counters it's funny and a couple of them are adc's, rumble hits him hard especially with a liandires, darius (bleed to proc his passive kill 2 safe ones pull q aa ult) or q and hit all 4 blobs.
teemo (dot), vayne (condemed = no ult to worry about from zac.

Draven is by far teh best adc to use against him as you can kite him like crazy using your e to keep him away and slowed while using axes and blood rush


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67chrome

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03-31-2013

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You should edit that post so all the [Zed] is [Zac], as those are 2 different champions.

And his jungle sustain is only good in the mana sustain department, as he's manaless. All his abilities cost 4% of his maximum health and his goo only restores 4% of his maximum health, so even Fiora's close non-existent passive gives her better health sustain.

On the 4% max health costs - Zac isn't fantastic at chasing enemies either, unless you get lucky with were the goo lands you can more or less BotRK active yourself. Granted, he's generally going to build enough durability to keep up reasonably solid sticking power, but getting chased by Zac isn't anything close to being chased by Akali or Vayne. If anything his chase potential is pretty meh compared to Olaf, Dr. Mundo, and Sejuani. Shen is the only health-scaler he's really better at chasing over, more due to itemization than anything else.


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Rex Draconem

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03-31-2013

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You should edit that post so all the [Zed] is [Zac], as those are 2 different champions.

And his jungle sustain is only good in the mana sustain department, as he's manaless. All his abilities cost 4% of his maximum health and his goo only restores 4% of his maximum health, so even Fiora's close non-existent passive gives her better health sustain.

On the 4% max health costs - Zac isn't fantastic at chasing enemies either, unless you get lucky with were the goo lands you can more or less BotRK active yourself. Granted, he's generally going to build enough durability to keep up reasonably solid sticking power, but getting chased by Zac isn't anything close to being chased by Akali or Vayne. If anything his chase potential is pretty meh compared to Olaf, Dr. Mundo, and Sejuani. Shen is the only health-scaler he's really better at chasing over, more due to itemization than anything else.
His costs are current health not max health. his restore is max health....will edit as I read more of your post....but get your facts straight before posting


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masterdragon481

Senior Member

03-31-2013

I will change the name, thats for that, my fingers did what they did automatically. But you are wrong: his abilities cost CURRENT health and his blobs restore MAX health. Meaning he actually heals for a lot more than his abilities (up do a breaking point). Toss in spell vamp and increase all healing on yourself by 20% and suddenly his is apporaching a resourceless champion, in the jungle at least. You can step on the blobs if you are close enough to them, so its not really resourceless champion, but its gets very very close. His chase potential isn't as bad as you are giving credit for, although you are right to say it is dependent on his landing his E. But if he does he can easily slow an opponent, and the distance (and cooldown) on his E makes it hard to outpace him. He isn't the best of the best, but because of everything else that he does have, his chase potential is too good.


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Hitmanb0b

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03-31-2013

Solo top lane he's OP as hell. While a lot of the time his passive might be useless, top lane if he gets close to dead you can't chase him under the tower, even at full hp, because you have to finish him and then kill all those little ones too, all with a tower hitting you progressively harder and harder, so that's basically a free GA for top lane. As for ganking, he can hide out of sight of wards and pop in unannounced and just wreck everyone. He basically has Anivia's egg, shaco's teleport (except, at the cost of a little more time, also deals dmg and interrupts channelled spells), and vlad's healthcost-steal spells (only better because the chunk he picks up give him 4% MAX health while his spells only take CURRENT health). Not to mention his wrecking ball of an ult and his body explosion that deals dmg based on your max health, which, with just 100ap at max level, does 10% of your max health. Build pure ap and get say 600ap and you could be doing 20% of enemies MAX health with each hit.


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IamDeathmachine

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03-31-2013

600 ap is a lot of ap to get. By that point a good AD champ could be doing 100 a hit with infin edge and some other items


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ShatterThHeavens

Junior Member

03-31-2013

I think he is very balanced, and i love him <3
Dont change a thing.


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Mantheon Mandrop

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04-01-2013

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Originally Posted by AdderTude View Post
CCs are bugged on him. Every time I've thrown a disable on him during Let's Bounce!, he continues bouncing despite being stunned, silenced, etc. and even then, the CCs don't go for the entire duration (e.g. a 1-second stun only activates for not even half a second during Let's Bounce!). He really should've stayed in the PBE to work out the kinks that are present in the live servers, particularly with crowd control.
Hes got crowd reduction on his ult fyi. He has the highest CC reduction in the game with his ult


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