Champion Spotlight: Karma, the Enlightened One

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Cheesyroll

Senior Member

04-04-2013

It's not that I don't understand why you did what you did. It's just that i don't understand how you could have gotten it so twisted. I'm sorry riot but you lost some cool points with this one.


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BruddaMon

Junior Member

04-05-2013

So basically she went from Iconic, and interesting to basic with something stupid on her back.

I honestly do not understand why you insist on messing with characters who aren't that old in the first place, and have interesting mechanics. Was she tricky to play well? Sure I suppose so. Did that mean she had to basically be gutted, then reworked into basically a new character? No. No she didn't.


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Ser Varnell

Junior Member

04-05-2013

If feels like I should have known better, reading her kit about six months ago now, I was totally stoked and decided that was the next champ I was gonna get, her abilities were so unique and fresh! perfect for someone with a complex playstyle like myself, I guess I should have realized this would be noticed and "fixed" eventually, gotta dumb down every champ to be exactly cardboard cutout accessible for all the kids playing these days. Games in general dissapoint me often it seems these days.


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XoD epicmaster

Junior Member

04-05-2013

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Originally Posted by MasterRohan View Post
Dear Riot:
I have several questions and suggestion about recent changes on the champion Karma. As far as what I understand, Riot decided to spend several month making a rework on Karma due to majority of summoners saying Karma has a low win rate, and comparing her to other champions, Karma is a weak champion that needed rework.

Like other summoners,I do agree that Karma needs a rework, and giving her a buff. But after the patch, I cannot say that I'm at all satisfied with the changes. Karma "was", yes, "was" my favorite support champion. I picked her up one day looking at her splash art and decided that she's a cool champion to play with style. She had unique play style that requires certain level of calculation of health to either bait or engage in fights. She had great utilities to bring for her team and sometimes turns the tide around and lead the team to success.

The new Karma had lost these unique personality after the VU and skill rework. Let's start from her splash art. She no longer carries those fans of hers that's cool and represent her uniqueness. The old Karma fans loved those fans and so do I. I can't see why is there such a major change into her VU that completely changed her personality. Yes maybe as you guys said, she still has her fans, but come on Riot, it's only when she dances we can see her fans.

Now to the skills rework and play style. This is the part where there are two groups of people that are continuously debating on the forum. I have to say great job making a buff to her AP ratio, but wait, why are the skills changed so much? Karma used to be able to be that person who can walk in the front with low HP and still can come back to full health in no time. I have used that to bait and turn the tides around but now I can no longer do that due to her weak healing, and that does not even including the change of lack in group heal. The lost of her old passive have greatly reduce her baiting potential and that just moved her position to an AP mid champion, no longer a support. Also, as the community has said repeatly, the ultimate skill Mantra no longer has two stacks. This change basically makes her even harder to play. She can no longer be the shield bomb that enters a team fight and walks out expecting the heal herself or her teammates. This change has truly hurt her in a support position and which is why lots of old Karma players are asking Riot to reconsider another skill rework, or bring back old Karma.

Please, Riot Games, this may just be a single player's voice, but this comes from the bottom of my heart saying the rework of Karma is unsuccessful and truly ruined lots of player's old favorite champion. And the fact that after 30 pages of discussions in the Forum, Riot has not have any responds makes me even more disappointed.

We, as in lots of old Karma lovers, have suggestions that can work out as a balance option for this champion.
1. Bring back the old Karma and give it a AP ratio buff with a skill change on her Spirit Bond.
2. For those players that love the new Karma. We suggest make 2 champions instead of just 1. That way everyone's happy.
3. This one comes from certain of us that feel strongly unfair on the rework. We think that Riot should have the option to refund all the skins and champion itself after such major changes. We bought the champion how it was, after trying it during champion free rotation. We should have the option to refund the new champion that we didn't purchase in the first place. I have also used up all 3 of my refund chances but if such changes happen to a champion that I once loved and now hate, Riot should really consider a refund on those skins and champion itself.

Hopefully Riot can give the community some answers about this matter. I have been looking at all the LoL related sites about responds about Riot's responds, but so far I get nothing. That's why I decided to personally write to you guys and search for an answer myself.

Sincerely, and hoping to see the return of good answers and return of old Karma that "was" once upon a time, my favorite champion.

MasterRohan
Riot,

If you even ever read any of these post by us, the actual players, and not the beta testers that you pay to test out the "remakes" or "new" hero's, you would see that most of us, liked the old karma. And its pointed out nicely by MasterRohan. I was, (yes was) a Karma player. At first I didn't understand her but after a few weeks of playing with her, she was a good hero. My game history might of been almost a good 50/50 win rate with her with her old skills. I would always come out with +15 assist a game on avg.

Her new look is horrid, she is now looking like a street walker like mostly every other female hero in this game. Even her old look is now horrible. Thanks for giving us the traditional look of karma even though she doesn't look like the old karma. And her new skills are bad. I would like a refund for the money I've spent on her skin and move on. But I know riot won't do that.


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MasterRohan

Junior Member

04-05-2013

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Originally Posted by XoD epicmaster View Post
Riot,

If you even ever read any of these post by us, the actual players, and not the beta testers that you pay to test out the "remakes" or "new" hero's, you would see that most of us, liked the old karma. And its pointed out nicely by MasterRohan. I was, (yes was) a Karma player. At first I didn't understand her but after a few weeks of playing with her, she was a good hero. My game history might of been almost a good 50/50 win rate with her with her old skills. I would always come out with +15 assist a game on avg.

Her new look is horrid, she is now looking like a street walker like mostly every other female hero in this game. Even her old look is now horrible. Thanks for giving us the traditional look of karma even though she doesn't look like the old karma. And her new skills are bad. I would like a refund for the money I've spent on her skin and move on. But I know riot won't do that.

it's good to know there're players out there supporting my opinion, and share the same feeling Thanks to you all who liked my comments and HOPEFULLY Riot will make our dream come true


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Gaeul Kwon

Member

04-05-2013

Riot: If you can`t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

As You Wish, Riot.


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Ira Nibanabane

Senior Member

04-09-2013

How about some Red acknowledgement of the existence of the players who actually care about Karma?


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Plato83

Senior Member

04-09-2013

Can you guys please announce now that you're going to give us old karma back and rename this new....whatever....since it's obviously not actually karma? Thanks!


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Dijus87

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Junior Member

04-10-2013

she is worse than she was...i wont play with her anymore...
i want to get my ip back

after a rework,they should offer our ip back,cuz maybe some1 doesnt like the new champ anymore...


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The Admonisher

Junior Member

04-12-2013

I played many hours of the old Karma and I loved her till I played the new Karma and spent many hours trying to make something anything work with her to no avail. I also pride myself on having every champ in the game, but. this is one champ I can do without refund plz.