Champion Spotlight: Karma, the Enlightened One

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Gaeul Kwon

Member

04-03-2013

How many idiots.

It is not a matter of performance.

Most people are not interested anyway.

They just want cheap, fresh champ. just want legacy S K I N.

Someday you will suffer equally. Your opinion-for "1%"- will be ignored.


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Gaeul Kwon

Member

04-03-2013

Even reworked Karma need buff.

Rather, she setbacks. "lane cleaning" was slower.

Eventually Lux better in Mid/Support.

You do not necessarily need to choose her.


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Thee Zs

Junior Member

04-03-2013

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Originally Posted by SixXeRSeXMaChiNe View Post
All wrong. Riot does not listen to the 1% of people that liked the old karma. Majority rules. Haven't you ever heard that? I'll bet you anything there was more people that disliked the old karma and are very happy that she is actually playable now. When before... Riot does listen, at least regarding karma. Great Job. I was so sick of her being the only champ I wuld NOT buy because she was SOOO lame, and I didnt want to spend a month 24/7 straight in my basement with no light or food just to get "good" at her. And that my friend. Are the ONLY people that care. And barely ANYBODY played her before. So if you played her before, there's a whole nother issue going on with you maybe? Point is. You bashing Riot is incorrect. Your Opinion does not count as 1 millions peoples opinion. It really is like a spaceship looking down on an ant. And you're the ant. Not making fun. Just drawing a picture or metaphor so you can stop spreading these 1% opinions on this thread. I already played gainst her. And she owned me. I have 2 lvl 30's. GO re learn her. Nothing Lasts forever. I bet you didnt even read the ters and conditions. Riot is not responsible to do anything for you, and can stop anything and everything if they want to and no refunds. QQ when that happens.
HAHAHAH!! please, do tell me how you didn't want to spend time on champs to learn them and just go and play the "top tier" characters and bite off people. it's call a high skill cap for a reason. not brainless face roll. and you want to talk about relearn? how about you learn her in the first place back then? didn't think so did you? maybe if you did, you'll see how much better she was before this god forsaken thing. O, and another thing, you probably mistaken "playing" for "trying her out". She's just the flavor of the month

Come back in a month to say that. better yet, just another week. For people who like her now, the only reason you guys like her now is because you couldn't get good with her because of the skill cap she had and no one wanted to take the time to play.


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rumarak

Junior Member

04-03-2013

kinda sour about ruining my fav champ to something terrible )=


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MasterRohan

Junior Member

04-03-2013

Dear Riot:
I have several questions and suggestion about recent changes on the champion Karma. As far as what I understand, Riot decided to spend several month making a rework on Karma due to majority of summoners saying Karma has a low win rate, and comparing her to other champions, Karma is a weak champion that needed rework.

Like other summoners,I do agree that Karma needs a rework, and giving her a buff. But after the patch, I cannot say that I'm at all satisfied with the changes. Karma "was", yes, "was" my favorite support champion. I picked her up one day looking at her splash art and decided that she's a cool champion to play with style. She had unique play style that requires certain level of calculation of health to either bait or engage in fights. She had great utilities to bring for her team and sometimes turns the tide around and lead the team to success.

The new Karma had lost these unique personality after the VU and skill rework. Let's start from her splash art. She no longer carries those fans of hers that's cool and represent her uniqueness. The old Karma fans loved those fans and so do I. I can't see why is there such a major change into her VU that completely changed her personality. Yes maybe as you guys said, she still has her fans, but come on Riot, it's only when she dances we can see her fans.

Now to the skills rework and play style. This is the part where there are two groups of people that are continuously debating on the forum. I have to say great job making a buff to her AP ratio, but wait, why are the skills changed so much? Karma used to be able to be that person who can walk in the front with low HP and still can come back to full health in no time. I have used that to bait and turn the tides around but now I can no longer do that due to her weak healing, and that does not even including the change of lack in group heal. The lost of her old passive have greatly reduce her baiting potential and that just moved her position to an AP mid champion, no longer a support. Also, as the community has said repeatly, the ultimate skill Mantra no longer has two stacks. This change basically makes her even harder to play. She can no longer be the shield bomb that enters a team fight and walks out expecting the heal herself or her teammates. This change has truly hurt her in a support position and which is why lots of old Karma players are asking Riot to reconsider another skill rework, or bring back old Karma.

Please, Riot Games, this may just be a single player's voice, but this comes from the bottom of my heart saying the rework of Karma is unsuccessful and truly ruined lots of player's old favorite champion. And the fact that after 30 pages of discussions in the Forum, Riot has not have any responds makes me even more disappointed.

We, as in lots of old Karma lovers, have suggestions that can work out as a balance option for this champion.
1. Bring back the old Karma and give it a AP ratio buff with a skill change on her Spirit Bond.
2. For those players that love the new Karma. We suggest make 2 champions instead of just 1. That way everyone's happy.
3. This one comes from certain of us that feel strongly unfair on the rework. We think that Riot should have the option to refund all the skins and champion itself after such major changes. We bought the champion how it was, after trying it during champion free rotation. We should have the option to refund the new champion that we didn't purchase in the first place. I have also used up all 3 of my refund chances but if such changes happen to a champion that I once loved and now hate, Riot should really consider a refund on those skins and champion itself.

Hopefully Riot can give the community some answers about this matter. I have been looking at all the LoL related sites about responds about Riot's responds, but so far I get nothing. That's why I decided to personally write to you guys and search for an answer myself.

Sincerely, and hoping to see the return of good answers and return of old Karma that "was" once upon a time, my favorite champion.

MasterRohan


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Esobe

Junior Member

04-03-2013

This season, alone.. I had over a 50% win rate w/ Karma in *ranked* games.. playing her as support. My KA/D was around 2.8/1... which doesn't really speak to how well I performed (sorry for the self-promotion). As many have mentioned before, Karma makes an ideal bait target, which she can't always get out of. I was never hesitant to trade myself for a higher priority target on the other side. Another stat which doesn't translate well is her "death-defies." - i.e, when she saves herself or a teammate from certain death thanks to her timely shield and/or percentage-based heal; not to mention the haste from a Spirit Bond. In looking at her lifetime healing, again, the stats will be misleading as they do not take into consideration damage absorbed by the shield.

With the changes, I've played a few successful games, and more that were not so successful. This, I feel, is understandable based on the learning (and unlearning) curve. Sadly, I can't recall the cooldowns on her shield, from her original kit, but it seems to me the new one's CD is longer. It also feels like it's duration is diminished. And what it most sorely lacks is the AP Karma got from being less than full health.

People used to say that Karma was a bad support, because she was so heavily AP-dependent. I didn't find that to be the case. She had plenty of potential AP cooked right in w/ her passive. Now, in order to play her as support, one is expected to poke, and protect at the same time. In order to do this, Mana Regen and AP are needed, which she has to buy. In addition to wards, and boots and CDR which are all, also, imperative. Before, one could get the AP simply by managing their health.

And now, you've given her more range on her auto-attack, encouraging her to take use of this new passive. But you've lowered her Armor and her HP, lengthened the CD on her Shield, shortened it's duration, denied her haste from Spirit Bond and shortened the length on her new "Focused Resolve" so that she has to be closer to her target to maintain the link. And, you've taken away her Heal.. and one of her Mantra charges.

Does it not strike you as... clunky?

Where once their was elegance in design; abilities that complimented one another, and 2 mantras to calculate on which of 3 spells to use them on.

I've long been an advocate of Karma.. I played her w/ around a 50% win rate last season, as well. More games than I have so far this season. What I continue to not understand is why 1 champion out of, I honestly don't know how many, has to be "viable" for "everyone." If she was underplayed, where was the problem? There are plenty of other fish in the seas of LoL. I own lots of champions, working on getting them all through IP, and I haven't even played all of the ones I own.

Wouldn't you, as a company... or at *least* the original design team, prefer there were a handful (figurative - there were surely hundreds) of people who knew how to play, and enjoyed doing so, the old Karma that they put together so well to synergize w/ her abilities... than to marginalize her into a "Champilation" between a Leblanc-style tether/root, a Lux-style skill-shot/AoE slow-zone and a Ryze-esque reducing ultimate passive? All of which have, as stated, been done before.. and these abilities lack the true synergy she possessed in her original state.

Thank you for your time and consideration.


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Gaeul Kwon

Member

04-04-2013

She resembles WoW priest a lot.

ex) Mind Flay(+Vampiric Embrace), PoH' Divine Aegis(+Body and Soul)


Whether do this now?

Holy Word: Sanctuary → RQ


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Meta1up

Junior Member

04-04-2013

it would be awesone if the traditional karma skin still had her previous skill set .


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Ira Nibanabane

Senior Member

04-04-2013

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Originally Posted by Meta1up View Post
it would be awesone if the traditional karma skin still had her previous skill set .
That would be pretty amazing, but it would make the number of players that know how to work with/against her dwindle even further and leave almost no way to learn her for new players.


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Esobe

Junior Member

04-04-2013

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Originally Posted by Meta1up View Post
it would be awesone if the traditional karma skin still had her previous skill set .
I may not have been the first to suggest this, but I can see I'm not the last. I agree.