Why does Ahri have the assassin tag?

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BattleBootyRiven

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03-22-2013

600AP mediocore damage?

When I play fizz and I have 600ap people are feeling it in the ass..I been playing ahri 2 days now the damage isn't really what I expected...Just wondering I maxed my Q then W then R obviously whenever its up but yeah its really poop damage


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Crimson5pheonix

Senior Member

03-22-2013

She's an oddity among assassins in that she shines more in group fighting. She only has 1 single target spell, and it's a disable to guarantee one poor sod is going to take it all to the face.

But don't be fooled, her single target burst is higher than Akali's. You just have to land everything. Skill shots OP.


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Thubgar

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03-22-2013

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Originally Posted by I Hate Dat Teemo View Post
600AP mediocore damage?
why do people insist on stupid things like this when the numbers are readily available? seriously, what the hell?

ahri is an assassin because of her high mobility and the fact taht she does the most damage when focused on a single target.


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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03-22-2013

Assassins have a few things in common.
1. They have burst.
They may have less damage than others but even then theyre damage is frontended and happens fast. Ahri actually has some pretty fast damage, if you only count the initial burst before charm can wear off and before the orb can ever begin its return trip (depending on your range you will get the true damage anyways) her burst damage is actually higher than akali's I recently found out. Her sustained damage is lower though.

2. Assassins have some way of evading damage.
Ahri has 2. She can just dash around or she can completely disable you with charm.

3. Assassins have ways to force damage onto others.
Ahri has scaling true damage on a skillshot with no diminishing returns
ahri has a triple dash, nontargeted
ahri has charm, hard disable with a soft disable stacked on top of it.

Ahri also has some other abilities helpful to assassins.
her entire kit goes over walls
there is no carry that can easily escape her
there is no carry that can easily evade her damage without making a sacrifice of some sort (blowing the ult etcetc)
ahri ability to reposition herself quickly makes her a threat even over great ranges.
ahri's cleanup potential against mobile champs makes engagements a bigger commitment for the enemy
ahri's orbs and spirit rush projectiles all proc singletarget onspell.

Lastly, 600AP is typically not necessary on ahri. Most assassins fall off lategame but that is because they lack utility either for themselves or thier team. They have nothing but damage which inevitably will fall off unless you build specifically to deal tons of it. If you build straight AP, just like if you build straight AD Its actually very likely that you won't be dealing as much as you could be except perhaps during the occasional burst combo, ahri's burst combos aren't that occasional since she can force it a bit.


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footfoe

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03-22-2013

tags are wrong


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Soferir

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03-22-2013

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Originally Posted by footfoe View Post
tags are wrong
Ahri IS an assassin, as she is a Mage/Assassin hybrid.


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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03-22-2013

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Originally Posted by footfoe View Post
tags are wrong
ahri should get her own unique tags
just cuz she's ahri xD

But ya, ahri's tags are right

Its just that a mage assassin and an assassin are actually not the same thing.

dual tags are related heavily to their monotag counterparts but for the most part they are their own thing. Ahri, kass, leblink, and elise are the 4 mage assassins. They function differently from all other assassins, usually in terms of utility and how they get balanced. Mage assassins typically have strong bursts of damage and mobility. Ahri has both but her sustained damage is sometimes lower than some other champs which is actually not shocking at all since in theory assassins shouldnt have to rely on sustained damage which is a problem some assassins have including irelia (who does actually have good burst) and nocturn (part of his burst is delayed and the rest isnt enormous, instead he has a good repositioning skill and another one on top of good sustained damage over a short but not nearinstant period.)


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footfoe

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03-22-2013

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Originally Posted by Soferir View Post
Ahri IS an assassin, as she is a Mage/Assassin hybrid.
mm and malphite isn't a tank. zyra isn't a support.

the tags are wrong, have been for a long time. She's not an assassin, she is a mage.


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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03-22-2013

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Originally Posted by footfoe View Post
mm and malphite isn't a tank. zyra isn't a support.

the tags are wrong, have been for a long time. She's not an assassin, she is a mage.
malphite is not a tank
malphite is actually a rather bad tank even if you force it.
malphite has two tanklike abilities that feel subpar compared to alistars

zyra is a mage who happens to fill the support role nicely.
zyra struggles a bit as support since she pushes the lane so much.
zyra is slow and has some trouble placing wards in a timely manner as a result (not enough to make her bad)

Most of the tags aren't wrong, youre just interpreting them incorrectly or looking at the few bad examples. (your problem isnt bad examples)


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Arcticfury

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03-22-2013

Ahri was an assassin until a mid S2 nerf that made her super squishy. Now she is the opportunist, she either charms an over zealous victim into your team or she can chase down a runner that has a few bars of HP left.

If you don't look at any other assassin you'd definitely think the tag would be mostly fitting, the problem is that she doesn't feel like the other assassins. Diana pretty much replaced Ahri for this role and Riot has simply let Ahri fall to semi-burst mage wearing paper armor.


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