To all the Heimerdinger HATERS

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Thief of Space

Senior Member

03-22-2013

Except that Heimer gets slapped by every mid champion in the game.

Syndra LoL's at the turrets and even throws them back at Heimer's face.

Annie LoL's at the mediocre rocket damage and completely outbursts his squishy face.

Brand LoL's at the horrible range of Heimer and EQWR's him to death.


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Kronikmagii

Senior Member

03-22-2013

Heim is a beast, no matter what anyone says, I've gone 23/3 with him before so youes you can carry him with the correct build and practice.

It is very easy to beast with him if you have like 700+ AP and a zhonya's

simply dive in, let them waste all of their ults on your zhonya body while being pumbelled by your ulted turrets, and then emmerge with rockets flying while and grenades stunning everyone, and then you just zig zag around ur turrets until they run away or over commit and fall to the 'squishiest champ in the game'

it is a simple equation really, Heimy + decent half-witted player = OP killing machine


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Kronikmagii

Senior Member

03-22-2013

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Originally Posted by Thief of Space View Post
Except that Heimer gets slapped by every mid champion in the game.

Syndra LoL's at the turrets and even throws them back at Heimer's face.

Annie LoL's at the mediocre rocket damage and completely outbursts his squishy face.

Brand LoL's at the horrible range of Heimer and EQWR's him to death.
all of this may be true yet i kind of disagree with the annie claim. you can easily spam her with rockets to keep her at distance from bursting you down.

However i agree that brand and syndra, her especially, will outright rape heimy. but how does him having 2 counters make him an all around bad champ??

everyone has counters, yet he gets a bad rap for having a couple of his own? makes no sense.


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Erronius

Senior Member

03-22-2013

Roit, got it.


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Erronius

Senior Member

03-22-2013

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Originally Posted by Kronikmagii View Post
all of this may be true yet i kind of disagree with the annie claim. you can easily spam her with rockets to keep her at distance from bursting you down.

However i agree that brand and syndra, her especially, will outright rape heimy. but how does him having 2 counters make him an all around bad champ??

everyone has counters, yet he gets a bad rap for having a couple of his own? makes no sense.
No none of that makes him a bad champ... Being a champion reliant on inanimate objects that blow harder than a blue whale late game makes him a bad champion. His turrets aren't a threat to anyone who plays this game "seriously", they have long been the weak-link in his kit (since the rain of nerfs) and thankfully Riot has confirmed a rework is in the making.


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Kholdstare13

Senior Member

03-22-2013

Himer's pretty freaking strong right now, just not on Summoner's Rift. His biggest weakness is ganks. Unlike Teemo and his shrooms, you are forced to target himer's turrets first, or else he will easily kill you with a turret stun and rockets. If you do focus the turrets, he can still poke you very hard with his rocket and force you to reposition with his grenade. Assassins with hard CC can take him down, but he tends to rush stasis to avoid that. He pushes harder than Yorick. Again, his weakness is his inability to respond to a gank in any way, but he can solo defend 1v2 easily with that triple turret focus. Tristana and Kog'Maw are his biggest counters. The point is, you NEED teamwork to beat him. If he is left alone 1v1 he will wreck. That's why he fails so hard on SR, after laning is over, so is his advantage. He's decent in PG, since teamfights are much less mobile, and he can still push like a mofo all game. while holding off any enemy advance or dive engage.


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Evolnemesis

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03-22-2013

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Originally Posted by Kronikmagii View Post
Heim is a beast, no matter what anyone says, I've gone 23/3 with him before so youes you can carry him with the correct build and practice.

It is very easy to beast with him if you have like 700+ AP and a zhonya's

simply dive in, let them waste all of their ults on your zhonya body while being pumbelled by your ulted turrets, and then emmerge with rockets flying while and grenades stunning everyone, and then you just zig zag around ur turrets until they run away or over commit and fall to the 'squishiest champ in the game'

it is a simple equation really, Heimy + decent half-witted player = OP killing machine
If your enemies are retarded maybe, any halfway decent player can easily reduce his damage to half or even less than that by simply avoiding/destroying his turrets... at 700 AP, and with offensive masteries, he's capable of bursting for a TOTAL of about 1400 points of raw damage BEFORE magic resist (even with mpen, that usually turns into about 1000 damage after it). He has then blown all his cooldowns for the rest of the fight... That's hardly scary or OP... maybe if a person stays in his turrets for over 5 seconds too he can kill them... Since the turrets only have about 200 damage/second at that much AP (again before magic resist), the enemy would HAVE to sit in them that long to die even if Heimer got all his burst on them first... And again.. why are these enemies sitting there to get 'pummeled' by his turrets in the first place? one aoe in his area and they are dead... one hit on them with an autoattack and they are dead... walk a few steps and they are no longer in range... there is NO excuse for EVER being hit more than 2 or 3 times by his turrets, and that many times only if you are cc'ed in them or are sure you will kill him. If he uses zhonya's it shouldn't take you more than a second to deal with his turrets...

The only place he's OP is in lane, and it's not because he's a strong champ... He scales worse than anyone, he has higher mana costs than anyone, he is squishier and slower than anyone, his burst damage is weak, he is incapable of chasing anyone or killing anyone in lane that isn't retarded, he's not even that great a farmer... The ONLY thing that lets him do well in lane is that his gameplay mechanics (defensive turrets + unavoidable rockets) are broken in lane, making it practically impossible to win a damage trade with him there, so he can harass you as much as he wants from complete safety. It doesn't matter how much they nerf his numbers or how weak his base stats are, this will ALWAYS be true as long as he has his current set of abilities and gameplay mechanics. He WILL melt your face with harass that you have no way to answer back without taking even more damage (unless you are Syndra... but even against her he can farm safely forever, and still have a chance to out-harass her with just his rockets and grenade...) Anyone that can get around that by bursting him all the way down, he outranges hard, and can usually still safely harass and zone them, or at least farm against them forever, because those mages would be OP if their ranges were also very long...

That basic gameplay is what Riot says is his problem... it's why even with all his abilities much worse and with HALF his old damage all game (half any other mage's damage really...), he STILL can win in lane... and it is what stops them from being able to buff ANYTHING about any of his abilities, because anything they do will just make him stronger in lane... Besides, as long as his turrets work the way they do now, any buffs they give him wouldn't even help him that much late game.


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Perfidelis

Senior Member

03-22-2013

Heimer = Insta-dodge.


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Alvan Yakatori

Senior Member

03-22-2013

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Originally Posted by Thief of Space View Post
Except that Heimer gets slapped by every mid champion in the game.

Syndra LoL's at the turrets and even throws them back at Heimer's face.

Annie LoL's at the mediocre rocket damage and completely outbursts his squishy face.

Brand LoL's at the horrible range of Heimer and EQWR's him to death.
Talon LOL's at his squishiness and goes all talon on him.

Junglers LOL at his slowness and lack of escapes.

Karma LOL's at how much worse he is than her.

Keep it going everyone


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Vencu

Senior Member

03-22-2013

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Originally Posted by ItsJustPain View Post
I'm so so sick of dumb players thinking Heimer is a weak champ


TO Roit also
When are you guys ever going to rework Heimer
Its been years since you over nerfed him
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


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