How Do People Defend Singed When Stats Show Otherwise?

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Saint Kaizz

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03-07-2013

While I do agree that stats do account for something, just because Lolking, or whatever you're using to read these stats, says a champion has a high win rate, that really doesn't mean they need a nerf. By this logic, as others have said, Shen needs some serious buffs. His win rate across all tiers is below 50%, yet, on some really coordinated teams, he's really unstoppable. Know why? Some champions are great for certains types of gameplay. Playing a champion like Shen in solo que is pretty much doom, because the coordination is really nonexistant in solo. Singed, on the other hand, is one of the best champions in solo que. It takes some strat to shut him down, unless you're ranged and can kit, or you have more sustained damage or healing than Singed can take. Then you see Singed players in tournaments, and most of the time, Singed doesn't do anything but run in, fling, and try to keep damage on the enemy. This isn't just from recent tournaments, I'm talking about since Season 1.
Towards his nerfs, Fling damage is whatever, if they nerf it, I'm honestly ok with it. It's that nerf to his ult that bothers me. Singed has always been a champions that relies on mobility and tankiness to disrupt and annoy the team. Being unable to CC him effectively is what makes him so great at that job. Take that off, and not only do you hurt the core of his gameplay, you also reduce his item build options, which are honestly pretty limited in the first place, and that's not just talking about Singed, that's to all characters.
It would be different if Riot said, "Hey, Singed is supposed to be a tanky champ that is putting out to much damage to be considered as such. So we're going to lower the damage on Fling/Poison trail so he's not doing so much damage early on, but still be able to do his job later, which is take hits and get into the enemy team and put them out of position." Unfortunately, Since Bulwark was nerfed (his passive, not the item), he's more of a tanky melee bruiser. With the nerfs he's getting now, he's going to actually become a liability. He won't be able to tank as well, he can't get into the enemy team and fling priority enemies anymore, and if he does, he's just going to do pretty crappy damage anyway. Basically, he's going to be a utility tank that can't do his job.
Before someone says anything about Poison Trail still doing damage, he needs to have someone following him in the trail, or putting them into it for him to do damage. Since his ult is getting nerfed, ranged champions with CC will be able to do much better against him, and his only damage skill (not dot) won't do much anyway.

TL;DR Yes, Singed, with these nerfs, will be useless.


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03-07-2013

The best was when I saw a guy yesterday say that Singed does no damage. Apparently yesterday was the day where you could say anything you want and it magically comes true.

Should have wished for a Ferrari.


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Camen Sieder

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03-07-2013

LCS has a huge influence on who gets nerfed...


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dudeifeed

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03-07-2013

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Originally Posted by KommunistKevin View Post
DUMB PEOPLE CHASING SINGED

DUMB PEOPLE TRYING TO COUNTER PICK SINGED WITH MALPHITE/WUKONG

SINGED SUKS, pick teemo or vlad or any other ranged toplaner and its GG for singed.

DON'T PICK A MELEE CHAMP, BECAUSE SINGED SCALES HARDER THAN YOU HE WILL WIN THE LANE JUST BY PLAYING PASSIVE
when will we stop will the stupidity of chasing singed? No one chases singed, singed chases you


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Zeraphicus

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03-07-2013

Yeah the whole not chasing singed thing...he flings you for 300 +1 ap scaling, where you receive at least 4 ticks of .3 scaling poison...


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Traksor

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03-07-2013

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Originally Posted by xGary View Post
Shen requires team coordination which is non existent especially in lower levels. You can see that Shen's win rate increases as you increase the elo of the team.

And TF ? He is exactly the same as shen, yet he has a higher win rate.


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Weedlayer

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03-07-2013

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Originally Posted by Xengre View Post
Rumble is strong, very strong really, but he is most certainly not OP. MF is basically in the same state, tho I would argue a bit lower on the totem pole then Rumble yet easier to perform well with then the skill level needed for Rumble. TF isn't OP... he just has a nice kit that lets him do stuff at the loss of raw dmg that would otherwise need a mixture of play styles, champs with supreme mobility and reach, and wards/clairvoyance/etc. to either replicate or counter. Conveniently enough everything he does can be replicated by a team to either match or countered without actually picking TF.
"Rumble is very strong, but not OP of course, because I said he isn't."

Solid logic there.

"MF is likewise not OP, because she isn't."

Can't argue with that.

"TF isn't OP, he just has less damage (no he doesn't) and a bunch of super powerful abilites like ganking top and bot until they get fed and carry the game and knowing where everyone is whenever he ults. But of course not OP, after all, a coordinated team of 5 people can do what he does, so he's balanced (except no, nobody in the game ganks better than him)."

Face it, you're one of those "Nobody is ever OP" people, when all these champions are clearly too strong. Rumble has no terrible matchups, no bad phases of the game past level 5 and dominates a huge majority of common tops. TF is nearly impossible to force out of lane and is the best roamer in the game, transitioning to lategame with strong LB burst and a 4 CD stun. MF won't lose lane unless she's against a Draven, and has a hugely influencial, long range AOE ult that can turn fights around. Along with Taric support, these are all unarguably the best at their roles in solo queue. Picking anything else is settling for second best (Jungle has some diversity, but Mummy largely outclasses most champs in solo queue).


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xGary

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03-07-2013

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Originally Posted by Traksor View Post
And TF ? He is exactly the same as shen, yet he has a higher win rate.
TF is not the same amount of coordination as Shen. TF is used much more offensively while Shen is used defensively. TF can port behind the enemies, Shen can't, TF can stun and burst 80% of their HP in 1s, Shen can't, TF can stun and poke in teamfights, Shen can't.


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tempname950

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03-07-2013

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And this, people, is why idiots like him don't deserve an opinion on GD. He actually thinks TF is OP.
I don't think he's OP. I think he has too much presence during laning. He's like a higher damage, more mobile shen.


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Delimon

Senior Member

03-07-2013

Well singed just runs around in circles all day and you have to get in his poison to damage him so without buying mr and health there is really no way to beat him with the exception of melees who buy life steal but that doesn't come into play until at least mid game.