So turns out Elise is kind of broken here

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MMKH

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01-08-2013

How about trying to just burst or CC her before she bursts you.


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Redeemed In Fire

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01-09-2013

i didn't know everyone had CC longer range than Cocoon, which she can't trivially dodge with Rappel...


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Swampmajikk

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01-09-2013

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Originally Posted by XantheInsane View Post
My original goal for this letter was to scrutinize Elise's remarks point by point. Unfortunately, Elise's focus wanders so wildly that she never actually finishes any of her points. I think you will notice this in the ensuing discussion. For most of the facts I'm about to present, I have provided documentation and urge you to confirm these facts for yourself if you're skeptical. Elise keeps saying that she is clean and bright and pure inside. I suggest taking such statements with a grain of salt because insane libertines have increasingly been ridiculing, parodying, censoring, and downgrading opposing ideas. Elise has a lot to answer for in regard to that.

I don't like to repeat myself, but Elise decidedly intends to construct gas chambers, incinerators, gulags, and concentration camps. The direful sequence of that result, so flagrantly scornful and beer-guzzling in itself, is that reckless drossels will abridge our basic civil liberties sooner or later. To be honest, before she once again claims that it is deceitful to question her prank phone calls, she should do some real research rather than simply play a game of bias reinforcement with her torchbearers. We and Elise unmistakably need to call a truce on our arguments over adversarialism. Unfortunately, Elise will refuse to accept any such truce, as her whole raison d'être is to promote adversarialism in all its stinking forms.

Elise extricates herself from difficulty by intrigue, by chicanery, by dissimulation, by trimming, by an untruth, by an injustice. It would sure be nice if she could present her case without resorting to yellow journalism. You don't need to be the smartest guy on the planet to figure that out. Heck, even the lowliest Joe Six-Pack knows that by comparing today to even ten years ago and projecting the course we're on, I'd say we're in for an even more inattentive, sick, and oleaginous society, all thanks to Elise's teachings.

In a similar vein, we are at a crossroads. One road leads into the light of a bright, shining future in which self-aggrandizing blockheads like Elise are totally absent. The other road leads into the darkness of jingoism. The question, therefore, is: Who's driving the bus? I would venture the answer has something to do with officialism. To elaborate, while Elise manufactures crises over diabolism, her Marxism movement has been making human life negligible and cheap. Mutual efforts against biased charlatanism are not just an educational process designed to teach people that her continual falsifications of history neatly illustrate her adherence to statism. These efforts also serve as a beacon, warning the world of the uncongenial consequences of her scary announcements.

When people say that bigotry and hate are alive and well, they're right. And Elise is to blame. I am cognizant that her goal is to bathe in splendor while the rest of us go to work in the mines, but one of the bewildering paradoxes of our time is the extent to which she is willing to revive an arcadian past that never existed, especially given that she herself would be affected by such actions.

Elise can go on saying that she possesses infinite wisdom but the rest of us have serious problems to deal with that preclude our indulging in such vicious dreams just now. She doesn't want us to point out the glaring contradiction between her idealized view of tribalism and reality. She wants us to behave like sheep, not showing any inclination to saunter off in a direction other than that in which the shepherdess (Elise) wants us to go. Elise intends to keep us sheep blissfully ignorant of the fact that her assistants have been waxing stridently about fainéantism, Elise's pronouncements, and why Elise should outrage the very sensibilities of those who value freedom and fairness. Meanwhile, I, hardheaded cynic that I am, have been yanking up deplorable ratbags from the dark rocks under which they hide and flaunting them before the bright sunshine of public exposure. What do I hope to achieve by doing such a thing? I hope to achieve widespread recognition that Elise is the lineal descendant of the sensualists who nailed Jesus to the cross. Get that straight, please. Any other thinking is blame-shoving or responsibility-dodging. Furthermore, there are two sorts of people in this world. There are those who condition the public to accept violence as normal and desirable, and there are those who seek some structure in which the cacophony introduced by her remonstrations might be systematized, reconciled, and made rational. Elise fits neatly into the former category, of course.

Elise insisted she'd never make conditions far worse than could ever have been the case without her morally questionable efforts. Unfortunately, it wasn't long before she did exactly that. She promised she'd never criticize other people's beliefs, fashion sense, and lifestyle, but then she did just that—and worse. At least Elise is consistent, but I can guarantee the readers of this letter that difficult times lie ahead. Fortunately, we have the capacity to circumvent much of the impending misery by working together to act as a positive role model for younger people. Elise is guilty of at least one criminal offense. In addition, she frequently exhibits less formal criminal behavior such as deliberate and even gleeful cruelty, explosive behavior, and a burning desire to unfurl the flag of ultracrepidarianism.

It's furciferous for Elise to incite young people to copulate early, often, and indiscriminately. Or perhaps I should say, it's voluble. She periodically puts up a façade of reform. However, underneath the pretty surface, it's always business as usual. It seems ironic that however varied or profound the explanations underlying our sense of moral values may be, Elise's positions have no credibility, given that we can never return to the past. And if we are ever to move forward to the future, we honestly have to develop a rational-empirical base for dialogue about her sound bites. Elise can't be trusted. Everything she says is a lie, and everything she does is based on a lie: her deeds, her philippics, her publications—all lies, lies with flakes of truth sprinkled about to make brown-nosing drotchels believe them.

Elise, get a life! While some information provided by her bedfellows may be factual, other material is unsubstantiated rumor or refractory soliloquies. With all their sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, her analects are completely petty. I mean, think about it. Elise has one-upped George Washington in that she cannot tell a lie and cannot tell the truth. Basically, she's too unmannerly to distinguish between the two.

Elise truly believes that children should get into cars with strangers who wave lots of yummy candy at them. It is just such obstinate megalomania, mordacious egoism, and intellectual aberrancy that stirs Elise to prevent us from getting in touch with our feelings. She should stop protesting against her weaknesses and shortcomings. Rather, Elise should forgive herself for them and seek to strengthen herself by facing her vulgar fears. Then, perhaps, she would stop dragging everything that is truly great into the gutter. Her activities may have been conceived in idealism, but they quickly degenerated into wily negativism. So you see, Elise has an agenda—a political, social, and cultural agenda.
....did you use the replace feature in notepad on some anti-hitler propaganda from the 40s and post it here?


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Warrrrax

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01-09-2013

He used some garbage-generator website. There are several of them around.

Elise! The most effectualElise! Who's intellectual close friends get to call him T.C., providing it's with dignity.Elise! The indisputable leader of the gang. He's the boss, he's a pip, he's the championship. He's the most tip top, Elise.

80 days around the world, we'll find a pot of gold just sitting where the rainbow's ending. Time - we'll fight against the time, and we'll fly on the white wings of the wind. 80 days around the world, no we won't say a word before the ship is really back. Round, round, all around the world. Round, all around the world. Round, all around the world. Round, all around the world.

Hey there where ya goin', not exactly knowin', who says you have to call just one place home. He's goin' everywhere, B.J. McKay and his best friend Bear. He just keeps on movin', ladies keep improvin', every day is better than the last. New dreams and better scenes, and best of all I don't pay property tax. Rollin' down to Dallas, who's providin' my palace, off to New Orleans or who knows where. Places new and ladies, too, I'm B.J. McKay and this is my best friend Bear.

Elise, Elise- Soaring through all the galaxies. In search of Earth, flying in to the night. Elise, Elise- Fighting evil and tyranny, with all his power, and with all of his might. Elise- no-one else can do the things you do. Elise- like a bolt of thunder from the blue. Elise- always fighting all the evil forces bringing peace and justice to all.


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Ixaltus

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02-12-2013

There was a huge thread in GD 3 weeks ago about why she is broken and deserves a nerf.

Summary: her kit has everything and her base values are ridiculously strong, but she has no team presence and scales poorly.

So in SR she's good but not broken, but bot in Dom she is faceroll. The only answers are to counterpick, or to specifically build something strange to survive her and only her, and then you're sort of invested into chasing her around if they decide to pull her from bot.


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lbgsloan

Senior Member

02-12-2013

I'm with Ixaltus. Top, she's strong. Bottom, in blind pick, you are often completely screwed. Like Jayce she's a stupid laner because her 7 skill kit outclasses most champions in 1 on 1 laning. She can play safe, she can burst, she can facilitate ganks well. On SR she eventually has to leave the lane and play with the team, where she's no better than any other bursty AP. On Dominion she just gets to be a 1 on 1 terror the entire match. Switch? Good look convincing your teammates to change lanes in Dominion soloq.

BFT isn't the issue. You can rush one against her if you like, it won't magically make you start to win against her.


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BeefJerkyHunter

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02-12-2013

I really think that her % health damage is too high given her flat base damage.


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Torenia

Senior Member

02-12-2013

Psst
Elise is great in SR and there's no BFT there


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Ixaltus

Member

02-12-2013

I don't think anyone builds her with BFT in Dom since BFT's nerf though.


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MajorUrsa

Senior Member

02-12-2013

We need to learn how to differentiate between broken and strong.