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Zileas' List of Game Design Anti-Patterns

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WhattayaBrian

Engineer

10-15-2010

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Phreak:
It feels bad to lose a significant part of the ability.


I don't want to derail this thread, but what is your opinion on Black Shield causing abilities to fizzle entirely instead of simply redirecting their damage to the shield itself? Laser bird is a good example.


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Lazersharkzilla

Junior Member

10-15-2010

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Knote:
Told you it was a silly example.

I wasn't necessarily talking about the Burden of Knowledge and things like that. Just when people say things are "overly convoluted" and stuff. Wouldn't Swain's Ultimate be considered that? From reading everything here it seems like Complex = Bad, bad, bad and ALWAYS bad.


Complex isn't bad. OVERLY complex is bad. Everything in his ult serves a purpose and it synergizes well with its self. When an ability is so complex doesn't synergize well with its self or the champions other abilities, that is "Pointlessly Convoluted"


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Freykin

Recruiter

10-15-2010

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Geeves:
I enjoyed the gameplay of Priest mana burn in WoW. There was lots of positioning/counter positioning gameplay (don't stand in the open to get gibbed if you're the priest, LoS behind pillars as the victim, interrupt etc), and 3 mana burns didn't leave you oom. Hunters were way worse - 1 shot to drain 15% of your mana, repeat for 1 minute, win.

WC3 had more offensive mana burn in the form of the Demon Hunter. He would kite you for 15 seconds and drain your mana in the process, meaning you couldn't cast spells for 5 minutes. Wait a minute, didn't Zileas work on WC3...


Or get a Manta Style on Phantom Lancer in DotA. What's that? Images burn 32 mana a hit? and there's 6 of them surrounding you so you can't move? GG!


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Geeves

Lead Live Designer

10-15-2010

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Zileas:
O'Brien --

You are fired.


Rude.


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Knote

Senior Member

10-15-2010

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SelimBradley:
I don't want to derail this thread, but what is your opinion on Black Shield causing abilities to fizzle entirely instead of simply redirecting their damage to the shield itself? Laser bird is a good example.


Can't they just rework Black Shield to simply make you immune to X, Y, Z type of CC while absorbing spell dmg?

So that debuffs can still be applied such as Torment, Anivia Chill (just won't slow). Etc?


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Knote

Senior Member

10-15-2010

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freykin:
Or get a Manta Style on Phantom Lancer in DotA. What's that? Images burn 32 mana a hit? and there's 6 of them surrounding you so you can't move? GG!



LOL I remember seeing people get trapped in a sudden burst of Illusion spawns. Omg those were funny moments.

I especially remember doing the Techie + Tiny combo = Hand Grenade.

(For those of you who don't know, Techie could suicide for a big boom (and could be turned on autocast) while tiny could toss allies and enemy alike to a unit)

Or my favorite, Techie Mine Cluster + Dark Seer vacuum (sucks enemies to a group point).


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Saffire

Senior Member

10-15-2010

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Geeves:
Rude.
It seems like you get fired about once a month.


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Geeves

Lead Live Designer

10-15-2010

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Saffire:
It seems like you get fired about once a month.


People fear what they don't understand. In my case, Zileas doesn't understand what it's like to be awesome, and thus he fears me.


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WhattayaBrian

Engineer

10-15-2010

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Knote:
Can't they just rework Black Shield to simply make you immune to X, Y, Z type of CC while absorbing spell dmg?

So that debuffs can still be applied such as Torment, Anivia Chill (just won't slow). Etc?


They could, and I'd love to see that change made.


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zerfman

Recruiter

10-15-2010

On that note. MF's q= SUPER anti-fun. The problem isn't that it does too much damage. its that its completely unpredictable. and therefore very hard to find a safe place near your minions.