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On the subject of "feminists vs. videogame chicks".

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Neptune

Senior Member

12-12-2012

I have yet to see a more comprehensive and amusing summary of the issue than this video. If you can watch and follow the whole thing, I commend you. This applies to the LoL community perfectly, and should be watched if for no other reason than it contains this phrase:

"Not to put too fine a point on it, but the most famous and popular video game hero of all time is a short, fat, hairy guy with an un-glamorous blue collar job".

Enjoy.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/5950-Tropes-vs-MovieBob


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EliteFourWolfie

Senior Member

12-12-2012

I thought that was pretty good.


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Namulith

Senior Member

12-12-2012

Yeah, I thought that was pretty good too :O


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hashinshin

Senior Member

12-12-2012

unfortunately the only people who don't understand the main point of that video are still the people blasting the forums with nerd rage. Everyone else has moved on.


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Neptune

Senior Member

12-12-2012

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hashinshin:
unfortunately the only people who don't understand the main point of that video are still the people blasting the forums with nerd rage. Everyone else has moved on.


It could be that, especially in the case of a popular free game, a lot of the players are younger (14-ish) and just don't spend much time thinking on stuff like this. That's what's so great about this video, the guy talks fast, gets right to the point(s), and makes it entertaining.


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Torchlyte

Senior Member

12-12-2012

The speaker in this video makes all sorts of assertions that are either not necessarily true or just plain wrong. For example, he claims that men are not discriminated against based on appearance, but there are studies showing the opposite. Women AND men who are more attractive, are likely to make more money.

He makes a few good points, but his faux-logic arguments are irritating.


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Neptune

Senior Member

12-12-2012

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Torchlyte:
For example, he claims that men are not discriminated against based on appearance, but there are studies showing the opposite. .


Sauce?

The fact that white, heterosexual males do makeup the vast majority of "gate-keepers of opportunity" in our country makes the video's cited facts unsurprising, and I pretty much already assumed as much to be true. I'd have to take a look at these studies to be convinced otherwise.

EDIT: I'm going to guess my down-votes for this reply stem from the "gatekeepers" comment. Find me any credible data showing the majority of shot-callers in the US are not white hetero male, and I will gladly retract it.

In a later reply, I do concede that Movie Bob's "white buffalo" exaggeration about the rarity of men being discriminated by appearance was misleading, if not entirely untrue. The articles linked to do not discuss, in detail, which gender receives more discrimination, except for one which states that it is more prominent with females.

In short, for those of you saying "Men are discriminated against too", I am in agreement with you. However, one incorrect exageration does not nullify the entire video.


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FirinUpMuhLazer

Recruiter

12-12-2012

While funny, and maybe thought provoking, it makes a lot of claims with absolutely zero back up, dismisses potential for counter argument, and promotes sexual discrimination in creative outlets for the purposes of furthering equality, which I think is the absolutely wrong way to go about things.


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Torchlyte

Senior Member

12-12-2012

Quote:
Neptune:
Sauce?

The fact that white, heterosexual males makeup the vast majority of "gate-keepers of opportunity"


I heard it from an econ professor whose colleague made such a study. I'm sure google will give me dozens of other results to show you, though...

http://www.hofstra.edu/pdf/orsp_shahani-denning_spring03.pdf

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090514130641.htm

http://www.businessinsider.com/attractive-people-are-more-successful-2012-9

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wired-success/201208/im-successful-because-im-beautiful-how-we-discriminate-in-favor-attractive

^First four results I got


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Grand Eleven

Senior Member

12-12-2012

Quote:
Torchlyte:
I heard it from an econ professor whose colleague made such a study. I'm sure google will give me dozens of other results to show you, though...

http://www.hofstra.edu/pdf/orsp_shahani-denning_spring03.pdf

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090514130641.htm

http://www.businessinsider.com/attractive-people-are-more-successful-2012-9

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wired-success/201208/im-successful-because-im-beautiful-how-we-discriminate-in-favor-attractive

^First four results I got



This.

It's simply false that attractiveness is only a crutch/benefit for women.

It's also stupid to act like there's some subliminal sexism going on when a male dominated hobby is catering to males in it's design. It's like being shocked there's no chip-n-dale dancers at your local hooters.

Should they experiment with catering to more females? Sure! It's a good idea. Is the fact the way things are some kind of "rape culture" as I've heard it called .... no. It's ridiculous.