The 5 Core Thematic Skill Areas of League of Legends

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Susskind

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12-12-2012

Good job OP


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Epicn00b

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12-12-2012

Hmm. A smart guy, eh? Let's see if you can answer any of these questions:
1. What are Darius's weaknesses?
2. Which champion(s) beat Darius in lane? (He does physical, magic, and TRUE damage, and doesn't need sustain to stay in a lane. And you guys say Irelia is OP.....)
3. How do you build against a Darius?
4. What do you do if Darius is going extremely tanky, yet he's pwning you and your team as well?
5. Yes. I hate Darius. No, this is not a question.
6. Which champions can actually 1v1 Darius and win, even if lacking farm/gold?
7. Does Darius need buffs and/or nerfs? (Explain what kinds of nerfs)

Okay here are the "easy" questions
1. What are Renekton's strengths?
2. How and when is Renekton's "passive" any good?
3. Who does Renekton actually beat at top lane? (Right now, he seems weak against all the common top champs)
4. Does Renekton need buffs and/or nerfs? (Explain what kinds of buffs. Don't just say "Better late game")


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JannaSummoner

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12-12-2012

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Originally Posted by Glacialwrath View Post
Might want to talk about... Well I guess you can't since forum banned, but if that's ever lifted, perhaps the process of evaluating teammates? Both in that you must early on figure out if they are "good" or "bad" so you can gauge their skill level, and also know how their skills synergize with yours.

Example. I recently won a game as Akali. Akali is a new champion for me, but I feel like I kinda got ahold of her fast. Doesn't matter really. We had a jungle Jax. Now, normally, against a mid Morde who was slightly fed (I switched with our mid; I was having trouble with an aggressive Teemo), I would back off if he is half health, and Jax and I are at a quarter or less. Scrapshield is a perfect bait tool, and this Morde knew what he was doing. However, our jungle Jax was REALLY aggressive. I didn't want to let him down. It seemed like a bad idea, but I trusted him and myself. If he was going in, so was I-- I wasn't about to sacrifice him, he was doing his job. His KDR was greatly negative, but he racked up plenty of assists and was doing well. Moving on... He jumps in, I ulti to Morde (3 charges so "ulti" isn't a big deal here). We killed him. Jax died due to about 1-2 too many minion hits-- he nearly survived. I survived. I proceeded to get a decent KDR (not the best, Akali is a new champion for me), Jax's death wasn't a big deal since he wasn't in the shape to snowball, and we gave Morde one of his few deaths that game. It was a close match but we won.

Analyzing your teammates abilities, both as players and as their own champions, will really put you ahead.
Yuuuup. I'll intentionally play aggressively on the other side of the map to distract people from my teamates who I know wouldn't be able to handle the same type of game-play I can.

As a Veteran player when you're playing far ahead the skill level of people beneath you they almost seem to move in slow motion, and it becomes easy to follow their movements.

Shoulder some of the burdens the more novice on your team face for them and you'll all do better. Identify their faults and support them!

Don't be condescending


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JannaSummoner

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12-12-2012

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Good job OP
Thank You, do please ask a question!


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Best Furry NA

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12-12-2012

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Yuuuup. I'll intentionally play aggressively on the other side of the map to distract people from my teamates who I know wouldn't be able to handle the same type of game-play I can.

As a Veteran player when you're playing far ahead the skill level of people beneath you they almost seem to move in slow motion, and it becomes easy to follow their movements.

Shoulder some of the burdens the more novice on your team face for them and you'll all do better. Identify their faults and support them!

Don't be condescending
I didn't mean to come off condescending; my fault there. My point was to say that some teammates you can rely on, and some make us want to facepalm. We've all been there. And maybe it's not them, maybe it's a bad game. But perhaps they lack the experience, or say, haven't read this guide :P Anyhow, if they are making poor decisions, if you pay attention to that early on, in team fights, this can help you. At least, I've noticed.


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JannaSummoner

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12-12-2012

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Originally Posted by Epicn00b View Post
Hmm. A smart guy, eh? Let's see if you can answer any of these questions:
Can you pick like shorter questions the ones asking what his weaknesses can have multiple answers narrow it down for my sanity please.

Or at least give me a few hours. I have to flush my thoughts out fully, then work backwards to make things more concise.


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JannaSummoner

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12-12-2012

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I didn't mean to come off condescending; my fault there. My point was to say that some teammates you can rely on, and some make us want to facepalm. We've all been there. And maybe it's not them, maybe it's a bad game. But perhaps they lack the experience, or say, haven't read this guide :P Anyhow, if they are making poor decisions, if you pay attention to that early on, in team fights, this can help you. At least, I've noticed.
I wasn't calling you condescending I was saying if you're better than your teammate be sure to never sound condescending, which is a comment directed at everyone.


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Best Furry NA

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12-12-2012

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Hmm. A smart guy, eh? Let's see if you can answer any of these questions:
1. What are Darius's weaknesses?
2. Which champion(s) beat Darius in lane? (He does physical, magic, and TRUE damage, and doesn't need sustain to stay in a lane. And you guys say Irelia is OP.....)
3. How do you build against a Darius?
4. What do you do if Darius is going extremely tanky, yet he's pwning you and your team as well?
5. Yes. I hate Darius. No, this is not a question.
6. Which champions can actually 1v1 Darius and win, even if lacking farm/gold?
7. Does Darius need buffs and/or nerfs? (Explain what kinds of nerfs)

Okay here are the "easy" questions
1. What are Renekton's strengths?
2. How and when is Renekton's "passive" any good?
3. Who does Renekton actually beat at top lane? (Right now, he seems weak against all the common top champs)
4. Does Renekton need buffs and/or nerfs? (Explain what kinds of buffs. Don't just say "Better late game")
I'm sure the OP will answer this as well, and since it was directed at him I'm sure he will. However, I recently went 13/0 as Darius, I've carried games with him before in 5s and 3s, and although I am not the best, I am very good at him. So I will answer this strictly for my own amusement.

1. Low mobility. He hits hard, but he is prone to kiting. The more champions he has bleeds on, the faster he runs, but this isn't a tremendous amount, it just mitigates this weakness a little bit.

2. Vlad can stay at range, Kennen can harass him, a GOOD Akali can out-harass him, then assassinate him, and others as well. If an Olaf can bait a Darius into using Decimate (his cleave) when close, as opposed to when at max distance, he can E and deal tons of damage, punishing him. I think (not positive as I beat the hell out of one, I rarely see them, but I'd imagine this is very doable) a good Mundo can beat him too, stacking health, and whittling him down with his Cleaver.

3. Don't build too too much armor as that mitigates a lot of his damage, but not his ult. True damage is countered by health, and so is AD. And bleeds. Buying health if you need it is very nice. Playing Shen? Normally go AP Shen? Farm up and instead build HP.

4. Stay clear, farm up, and poke him. Don't rush a teamfight, harass and poke first. Or gank him. But beware if he is really, really fed.

5. I love Darius. He punishes people for bad mistakes. Enter your lane at half health (I had someone do this....)? You'll die. In a fight you should commit to, try to back off? You'll die. Out of position? Grabbed, and dead. Don't think about a champion's skillset, and attempt to fight him when both of you are at a quarter health? At close range? Dead. Forget about summoner spells? Flash, grab, dead. He punishes people who make bad mistakes harder than a lot of champions do, and feeds off of it.

6. Not many if you mean severely, but I'd take a look at the counters I pointed out.

7. No, he's fine where he's at. Any nerfs and I feel he'd actually be a bit UP, any buffs and he'd become OP.

EDIT: I almost forgot. Fiora counters Darius pretty hard, and Kayle is an AMAZING counter to him. She can hit him from afar, kite him, and her ulti bird-blocks (you know what I mean) his own. On anyone.
Edit #2: I forgot to mention. Abuse Darius not only in his range, but when his Q (Decimate) is on CD.
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I like Renny. Sure, I'll get this one too.

1. Early game, manaless, lane bully, sustain...

2. His passive means he uses no mana, so that's nice against certain top champions, and the bonus is amazing at sustain, or in certain cases a longer stun.

3. Depends on how good you are at analyzing cds. He can beat nearly all with his sustain. Avoid attacks, move in, stun, heal, gtfo. He can do that repeatedly and be a great lane bully. If your opponent is waiting for you to do that, just passively farm, or do whatever is necessary, but make them blow something. Or take advantage if you can.

4. I feel that his AD ratio could be a bit better so that he could be more on par with other bruisers. About it. Personal feelings.


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JannaSummoner

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12-12-2012

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Also, thanks for the "how to counter Lee" tip. Any tips for countering Ezreal?
Dodging.

Seriously if he's firing something at you MOVE. 3 of his spells are skill shots.

If he's always hitting you - get better at dodging and get some Movement Speed.

Then use your kit to violate his weaknesses.

People always try to give ways to counter a hero by naming a hero, but to be honest a proper counters starts at the ability level. Let me know who you're using mostly against EZ, and I'll go from there.


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RiotBok

Player Support Specialist

12-12-2012
2 of 2 Riot Posts

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I have to admit I'm surprised by the support.
Not sure why you're so surprised!

This is a fairly well written and organized (albeit long) post that gives general advice that can help change decision making. Personally, I feel that's the best kind of training/advice that someone can get to get better at this game. Unless you have solid fundamentals and are looking for specific matchup advice (Like...how should I handle Riven vs. Kennen? Can I? Should I be playing for the mid game and sacrificing early? Abandon and roam for 3v1 gank on mid with our jungler?), I feel like helping to understand the reasoning behind a maneuver will help you far more.

This is the sort of advice that can transcend champion picks and help newer players reach another level of understanding of the game.

Also, yes, you shouldn't bump your own posts constantly :P