Zed's ult sucks,

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Logios

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11-19-2012

People saying his ult does no damage are missing their combos. Mid game on, you can R>E>Q>AA (the double hitting E will slow, making hitting both Qs very easy) any carry and 100-0 them and still have your W to escape and plenty of energy for E if you want to fight other enemies. The biggest weakness his ulti has is any flash or blink will completely negate it, not the damage.

Also, stop leveling E first, Q is where your burst damage is going to come from since E can not do damage twice.

I agree that Zed needs some buffs, but his damage is more than adequate.


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Foomps

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11-19-2012

instead of a mark that does damage 3 secs later, the mark should amplify all damage done to that target


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Primanocte

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11-19-2012

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Originally Posted by SnicerTenu View Post
Obviously OP does not use ulti to ASSASSINate low health champions. and probably uses it to start fights and not wait to use it on targets that are below 50% hp.

EDIT: Btw there is a stat you can build to deal with that armor people build (Arm PEN)
If your target is already at 50% you don't need your ult to kill them.


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Iifa

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11-19-2012

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Originally Posted by Warbéar View Post
it's got lots of utility not just for damage, you have to take into account that it dodges everything you can use it to dodge ultis, escape, juke, kill etc.

Hope that helps you understand why it doesn't do insane deeps.
i'm not suggesting it's damage gets increased.. i jsut think the AA damage (which is really low!!!!) Should be applied instantly and the rest of the spell should be after 3 seconds.


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Iifa

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11-19-2012

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Originally Posted by Logios View Post
People saying his ult does no damage are missing their combos. Mid game on, you can R>E>Q>AA (the double hitting E will slow, making hitting both Qs very easy) any carry and 100-0 them and still have your W to escape and plenty of energy for E if you want to fight other enemies. The biggest weakness his ulti has is any flash or blink will completely negate it, not the damage.

Also, stop leveling E first, Q is where your burst damage is going to come from since E can not do damage twice.

I agree that Zed needs some buffs, but his damage is more than adequate.
No.. no.. It's not that his ult doesn't do enough damage, it's that in a teamfight, it doesn't do ANY damage because your target will die before the mark goes off! So it really is just a gapcloser that makes you untargettable for a sec..


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Primanocte

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11-19-2012

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Originally Posted by Pounce and Swipe View Post
No.. no.. It's not that his ult doesn't do enough damage, it's that in a teamfight, it doesn't do ANY damage because your target will die before the mark goes off! So it really is just a gapcloser that makes you untargettable for a sec..
Agreed. They need to front load some of its damage. I wonder if Riot can track how often a target dies before Mark has a chance to go off. Seems like once team fights start Mark almost never gets a chance to go off.


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SnicerTenu

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11-19-2012

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Originally Posted by Primanocte View Post
If your target is already at 50% you don't need your ult to kill them.

It's kill security. You know... for those that just barely get away *COUGH*EZ*COUGH*

EDIT: ALSO don't think of the dmg from the mark (ult) itself as the Ult, think of the 2nd shadow as the ulti. Now you have 3 attacks with a skill instead of 2. What does this mean? He can do tons of damage (tm) in a team fight because ALL of his attacking abilities (Q and E) AOE. Also if you kill the guys in teamfights... why are you complaining?


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Firellius

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11-19-2012

At least it's a gap closer instead of 2 separated seconds of 40% movespeed boost if you know what I'm saying.


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Siegfryd

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11-19-2012

When the mark will do enough damage to kill someone it should just explode instead of waiting the full 3 seconds. Then you don't need to wait around for the 3 seconds to finish.


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SnicerTenu

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11-19-2012

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Originally Posted by Siegfryd View Post
When the mark will do enough damage to kill someone it should just explode instead of waiting the full 3 seconds. Then you don't need to wait around for the 3 seconds to finish.

But what is overkill then?