@IronStylus: I am very disappointed in you and the art team.

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parentheses

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11-17-2012

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Originally Posted by Juggernaut1337 View Post
Has it ever occurred to anyone that females have breasts? I don't think making breastless females would solve anything. Seems like people are offended by females to begin with.
Pretty hard for me to be offended by females and/or breasts since I am one and I have them.


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parentheses

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11-17-2012

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Frankly, I have to agree with the original post. This is mostly a symptom of the kind of fantasy League draws from for inspiration and not really a failing on League itself in particular, but it does grow rather tiresome to see every female released to sport the "ideal" human form in some capacity or another. Why is Annie the only prodigal child of Valoran? How likely is it that when making a human (or humanesque) child, that the design team nudges them towards being a yordle instead of being a kid?

I know it's a long shot, but plenty of monster designs could easily be female or male without any physical indication of such. Puck, from Dota, has been an It, a Male, and Female in various lore reiteration and player speculation, and that didn't change Puck's character model at all (ie: they didn't give the faerie dragon giant breasts or a manly chest when her gender kept changing back and forth). The reason this is a long shot is because of Riot's aversion to monster designs, which makes the likelihood of a true monster being identified as a female rather small. Kha'Zix could have been female, who can really tell when you're giant insect predator? Kog'maw is similarly gender neutral in design, Nocturne is a manifestation of a nightmare which means he doesn't have to be "male", and even Fizz could have female as he's clearly his own race of people who aren't mammalian, meaning they could lack the very thing everyone has issues with.

It wouldn't be as big of an issue though if the majority of these champions weren't putting their assets on display. This is more prominently true when you look at the human-form designs of Zyra and Elise. Their manner of dress is intentionally bare and revealing, but what reason (other than maybe Zyra) do they have to dress in this manner? Elise, especially, pushes the boundaries of what could be considered acceptable coverage, and I can't think of any reason that someone who is considered a prophet would have to dress in this manner to get people to follow her.

But I think the biggest truth that points to this being an issue is when they DO release a female who is more modest in design (Leona, Diana), Riot always makes a point to remind everyone of this fact. "We heard your blah blah so here is Female Champion X, who wears blah to cover her blah more obviously and purposefully blah blah blah". Riot shouldn't have to justify why this female champion is wearing armor or clothes that are more suited to combat or their station, but they do because they know their typical female design choices adhere to the "more TnA" female design bible. The fact they feel obligated to remind players that not all of their designs follow the design of 98% of their female champion pool speaks more volumes about how aware they are of the issue than any number of threads we make could possibly make.

I just say, use a design that makes sense for the character from all angles, not just the visually appealing one. Have a champion wearing attire and acting in a manner benefiting their lore. Cassiopeia is still "sexy" to some degree because that was her role while she was still 100% human, so her design doesn't bother me at all. Elise has no need to be 80% revealed, but she is and that's why I have a problem with her (not to mention that it really doesn't make much sense for her to gain followers when you can clearly see she isn't human anyway unless there's mind control going on). Nami is a mermaid, and I don't know her lore, but she is adhering to how mermaids are commonly portraid in most fantasy settings so I'm reserving judgment on her. It's still disappointing, though, that she looks like most of the rest of the female cast design.
This sums it up nicely.


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White Rose13

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11-17-2012

Here you go. This is the next champ, just leaked. You can thank me later.


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Unwilling Fire

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11-17-2012

... I'm with the unpopular opinion I guess. In the concept, she had her chest pretty much open. I mean, she doesn't wear clothes, does she? She looks like a fish and an orchidea, and thats ok. Now, in the concept she had small breasts. She looks like she was intended to be gorgeous in the cute sense, not in the hot one.

Oh well, I just think small is best, principally with her body type.


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Malice the Red

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11-17-2012

confirming that I down-voted without reading, I'm such a sheep


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KínseySíx

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11-17-2012

I'm not sure why Riot bothers slapping anything on their female champs any more.

"Plant champion?, oh you mean like Maokai - nah bro, it's a chick, whip out the boobalicious template and throw a few leaves on it. GOLD."

"Spider Queen?, oh you mean like a grotesque, scary Urgotesque kinda thing?, - nah bro, it's a chick, whip out the boobalicious template and throw a few scraps of cloth on it. GOLD."

I think the upcoming champion is fine, I don't find her overly sexualised - at least no more so than the never ending cavalcade of playboy bunnies in costumes we already have - I think the issue is diversity, or a painful lack thereof. After the recent 'dudepocalypse' and resulting yawn from the player base you'd think they'd learn a lesson here. Guess not.

News just in - Next female champ just a giant boob that bounces around the battlefield.

EDIT: Aforementioned boob champion might just be one of Sona's. If they lean any further out of that dress I'm pretty sure they'll end up with careers of their own.


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Cilentior

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11-17-2012

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Originally Posted by parentheses View Post
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Also, check out the video of Nami in action next to Kat - Kat seems like she'd be a much more sexualized character but Nami's breasts are much more prominently on display and more obvious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-CfHApTyBM...
Good job OP, noticing that because Kat is on the otherside of the map, she automatically faces the other way, blocking view on her breasts. If the sides were switched I doubt you'd see Nami's breasts either, and instead would be looking at Kat's.

On another note, after reading IronStylus's post I realized "Hey Nami is a mermaid. So is Ariel." Ariel as a mermaid didn't wear clothes did she, besides her seashell bra? Why does Nami have to be fully clothed or look like the most obscure version of a mermaid (e.g. almost completely a fish / monster)? Mermaid by definition is a being with the lower body of a fish and the upper body of a human. I'm pretty sure the upper body of a human doesn't have much to do with fish (No scales, no gills, no fins, etc.) I think the way Nami is portrayed was done very well, and keeps it not only classy, but consistent with the lore of mermaids in general.


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Sir Gilly

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11-17-2012

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50 pages.. no way I can read every one of these posts. To sum up though, despite what you may think, I am not the single point of failure in a scenario where a busty lady makes it through our pipeline. I'm here to be one of many voices that chimes in when appropriate. Can I flip a table or two? Absolutely, if I deem it unnecessary. I really wasn't too terribly concerned about Nami because, well, I think she's a cool design.

Did I notice the ruffles revealing some fish flesh? Yeah, I saw it months ago. Did I think it was particularly a good idea to poo-poo the design when it was on its way, when it was gathering momentum, and when it was being passionately worked on by the artist? Hell no. This will be this particular artist's first champion ever in the game. It's her show in that regard. I didn't find the cleavage to be a monumental red flag.

When I saw the concept I was like.. look at this stuff, isn't it neat? Wouldn't you think this concept's complete? Wouldn't you think she's the girl, the girl that has, everything? Look at those frills, how they unfold. How many wonders can one mermaid hold? Looking around here you think, sure, she's got everything. She's got flippers and scepters a plenty. She's got dashes and splashes galore. You want complementary curves? She's got twenty. But who cares, no big deal, she wants more.

She wants to be where the players are, she wants to see, wants to see them fighting, thinking inside of those, what do you call them? Oh, brains! Flipping to mid you don't get to far. Supports are required for healing, casting, strolling along on that.. what's that word again? Lane! Up where they toss, up where they stun, up where they lane all day in the sun, wandering free, wished she could be, part of that role.

What would she pay, if she could play, out of those waters? What sort of gift, would let her lift, up to the game? Betcha in the rift, they get the drift, that they appreciate their healers. Crowd controllers, supporting rollers, ready to sustain, and ready to help with Carry's job. Lock up the gankers and get some assists. What's a Baron, and how does it, what's the word? Buff! When's it enough? Wouldn't they love, love to play some support up above?

Out of the sea.

Wished she could be.

Part of that roll.



..tune in next time when I explain our champion creation process akin to how the mice put together Cinderella's dress.
This is why I think the Riot staff is one of the best game staffs out there.


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Kuralesache

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11-17-2012

A little bit childish to distract people from the issue with a post like that, Parrotguy. I don't think there's much to add to the discussion - the artists just need to decide whether their inspirations take a backseat to teenage masturbation fantasies or not. If they do, I guess it's their game and they can do whatever they like with it.


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Ephemis

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11-17-2012

You know, some people have told me there will be no little mermaid skin.

Some people have said Riot is too afraid to give her red hair.

I say that's a load of ****.

After all, she has to be able to match up with the good looking supports like Leona.