I'm trying out the new jungle in the pbe

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Zeno Angel

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11-17-2012

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What is Wriggles then? It used to be Razor, Scepter and 150 GP. If Scepter is 900 GP now... is Wriggles still 150 GP, with a buff to AD?
Machete + cloth armor = razers

longsword +400g -> vamp scepter

Razer + Scepter + 100g = new wriggles


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gregorymarco

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11-17-2012

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Yeah - that's where we want to look most closely. While we know the raw numbers and have had testing, the circumstances that millions of games show can help us see if our methods are successful or not. We expect less early ganks from the jungle now, because the early game impact of them was so high and we wanted to lower it - players' expectations will need to align with what's optimal again. This applies to all the preseason changes really.

To answer your question, I think we are OK with more control-type junglers, but the scale of how harshly they control is the adjustment point for us to watch. Stealing the big monster is harder now, but even more important - meaning strong counterjungling has the potential to be devastating.
WELP. Time to make shyvana and lee sin top super strong again.


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Brokroma

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11-17-2012

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Stonewall - Our internal testers are literally brainless monkeys, please tell us what's wrong with the jungle?
Oh wow.

[Morello Edit: This is why we don't ask you]


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IS14b4c934b49e2140947ac

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11-17-2012

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Oh wow.
Don't be too harsh on riot. I'm pretty sure they know the game more than you.


Most of the time.


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shamurai7

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11-17-2012

the macheteis honest to god trash item. add 5 hp regen and 5 mana regen and id 'think' about it..


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Razy6trix

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11-17-2012

why is the opinion of this random ****** valid at all?

if SV or any actually good jungler makes a post, ill care.


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Brokroma

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11-17-2012

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why is the opinion of this random ****** valid at all?

if SV or any actually good jungler makes a post, ill care.
You're either new here, or a vindictive SV fanboy.


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Felaedor

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11-17-2012

Honestly, the whole "noleash" thing kind of just makes this whole extended process a joke.

EVERYONE will be fine if they can make it to level 2 with Blue buff without taking meaningful damage...and guess what...THAT'S REALLY EASY TO DO IF YOUR TEAM ISN'T LICKING THEIR SCREEN.


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Zeno Angel

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Honestly, the whole "noleash" thing kind of just makes this whole extended process a joke.

EVERYONE will be fine if they can make it to level 2 with Blue buff without taking meaningful damage...and guess what...THAT'S REALLY EASY TO DO IF YOUR TEAM ISN'T LICKING THEIR SCREEN.

What if there is a fight?

What if is the point. The fact that it is needed now is, in itself, a huge issue. Not a definite "bad" issue. But an issue that needs to be addressed nonetheless.


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Released Phoenix

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11-17-2012

I don't see the point of making the jungle harder. That's counter-intuitive to Morellos' design principles. It shuts down champs that aren't viable in lane from ever being viable anywhere. He said this at the end of S1 and was the entire inspiration for the jungle rework.

Pick your guns and stick to them Morello.