A catalog of false reports.

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Tenmar

Senior Member

11-13-2012

So I'm on my final strike and I'm really trying my best to reform but I know I'm going to get into tribunal not because I'm swearing or being overly negative anymore. But because people are abusing the report system just to get other players banned out of spite. I really would feel it would be unjust to have my account banned because of these false reports that are putting me into tribunal.

I've contacted player support demonstrating my concern and this is the statement I get from them over these false reports.

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Hello Summoner,

Thank you for contacting me about this. While I wish I could give you a direct answer, I'm afraid that is not really possible. I cannot guarantee any actions or inaction on the part of the Tribunal. Our system for determining when to suspend an account is based on a great number of factors. We take in to account how frequently someone gets reported, how severe the infractions are, whether the reports were for the same issue or different ones, and a great number of other things. Also, please keep in mind that malicious or erroneous reports against you will not cause you to get suspended.

My best advice to avoid a suspension would be to take whatever steps are necessary to correct the reason you are being suspended. For example, if you are having issues with being disconnected, contact your Internet Service Provider or consult a computer repair professional. If the suspensions come from the Tribunal, review the Summoner's Code and make liberal use of the /mute and /ignore commands when you have another player flaming you in a match.

I'm sorry I couldn't give you a more specific answer on this. If you have any other issues, or if you would like clarification on any of the points I have brought up, please feel free to contact me again and I would be glad to help you.

Unfortunately the system disallows the removal of games, leaves, losses or the manual editing of Elo. It was built this way in an effort to prevent corruption.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and hope it does not discourage you from playing League of Legends.
Thank you for your patience and best of luck on the Fields of Justice!
So even if a player is reporting me out of spite it still counts towards putting me in tribunal. Now over the course of a simple 48 hour period I've already collected 3 false reports and players even admitting why they reported me for unjust reasons

So I've decided that everytime a player admits to me in post game chat that they are reporting me I'm going to ask them why and post it here. I'm not calling out the players but instead demonstrate that players if given the option are going to abuse the system and I as a player trying my best to reform have no actual means or tools by Riot to demonstrate that I've been doing better.

As a note my last ban was in the month of October and the one before that was back in May 2012. So there is a 6 month gap to which I think I have improved and demonstrated positive reform.

EDIT: 11/18/2012 Another false report. Played GP and was the only team player in a NORMAL match that was willing to go bot with carry. Cause I on accident as I am new to playing GP I ended up taking starting blue and cause after dying the first time and not having even enough gold to buy another ward after using three wards that they wanted to report me. I told them sorry but I was still called useless by Sivir and called a Troll by Maokai and said they were going to be reported led by the player Chiat.

While I forgot to take a post game chat picture I did some looking up as to why Mao and TF were still wanting to report me and I find out they were a premade of three players on a ranked team.


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daMar

Junior Member

11-13-2012

eh, even so permabanning is done manually so I really don't see anything to worry about. As for false reports you will likely get pardoned anyway.


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vulgarwolf

Senior Member

11-13-2012

only a guilty person will attempt to cover their tracks.

Dont break the rules and nothing can be done, if that means saying nothing in chat..then so be it.

As an avid tribunral user, if i see bad language and harassment torwards players...punish
a player unusually low level reported for afk....punish
a play with a a death in double digits...kills and assists very low..then i scan log for evidence of feeding.


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gnfnrf

Senior Member

11-13-2012

This is going to sound strange but ...

In your case, blatantly false reports are a good thing.

It seems that the more you are punished by the Tribunal, the more sensitive the system is to making new cases against you. So, at the last strike, you are probably going to get another case built, unless you play pristinely.

So, if that case is built, you need it to be pardoned. And for it to be pardoned, you need it to have games in it in which you do and say nothing punishable. Every game in which you do and say nothing punishable that gets you reported anyway is another chance to draw that game in the Tribunal case and get pardoned.

Unless, of course, you actually did something wrong in those games.

It's strange, I know. Right now, I'm actually wondering if you could somehow exploit this face... but I can't think how.


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Tenmar

Senior Member

11-13-2012

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Originally Posted by gnfnrf View Post
This is going to sound strange but ...

In your case, blatantly false reports are a good thing.

It seems that the more you are punished by the Tribunal, the more sensitive the system is to making new cases against you. So, at the last strike, you are probably going to get another case built, unless you play pristinely.

So, if that case is built, you need it to be pardoned. And for it to be pardoned, you need it to have games in it in which you do and say nothing punishable. Every game in which you do and say nothing punishable that gets you reported anyway is another chance to draw that game in the Tribunal case and get pardoned.

Unless, of course, you actually did something wrong in those games.

It's strange, I know. Right now, I'm actually wondering if you could somehow exploit this face... but I can't think how.
Well the issue is what is defined as "wrong" is up for debate. As of right now tribunal is even banning players for spamming taunts and using the word ****** and stupid. Not towards a player but just using those words.

The issue is that the summoner's code is a declaration. But it is a declaration without a constitution which means that everything that is punish worthy is up to the person participating in tribunal to decide. There is no constitution that states specifically what is or is not reportable or punishable. There are no rights towards the accused or the punished. There are no hard laws but only a philosophy that leaves everything open to interpretation and consensus of what is or is not punishable or report worthy.

I mean I'm really cutting back on the swearing but everytime I see someone in a match I play that reports me like this it doesn't actually help me because even I don't even know how I can demonstrate to riot that I should be given a second chance or even better actually have a way to have strikes against my record reduced.

I mean before I got banned I had over 100 honor points. I do play this game a lot and consider that when I got banned those honor points essentially mean nothing as a defense towards my character as a positive force instead of only being seen as a negative force. Wouldn't it help that if a player isn't punished for a long period of time or accumulates a lot of honor that the strikes on their record be removed?

I mean six months without a punishment is pretty good honestly. But that doesn't bring much comfort when I know that I'm still on my final strike and there was nothing in between that period of 6 months that I did was punishable but doesn't actually demonstrate to Riot that I have reformed or at least have gotten better.


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Tehery

Junior Member

11-13-2012

My first game was December 25, 2011. I have never received a letter from Riot for anything but here is your IP for Tribunal cases. That means I have gone 11 months without being punished vs your 6 months. I have been in some real super bad games with very toxic people. I am the type of person that stands up to bullies be it real or over the net so I have shoveled it right back at them. The point I am making is. "" I mean six months without a punishment is pretty good honestly "" I have gone 11 months. What did I do that you did not do?? I can only guess so here is my guess. I do not start the fights I let the other person start it then dig them selves in to a grave. Then I try to get them to dig deeper with my remarks. I try to point out facts that the Tribunal Judge will not see and even if I am reported for raging a bit and I am willing to bet I was a few times. I do my best not to walk too far down hill off the high ground and down to the toxic player lvl. Think then type. Think G rating and type G rating words. Look at every game as "Can we show this game and the chat log on Disney Channel ?" If you follow that path you can have every person in every game report you and you will never get banned.


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ShadeOfRed

Senior Member

11-14-2012

From all three of those posts, it seems like you just annoyed them by talking too much. I mean, when people sit down to play, they want to play. Excessive talking is a distraction from it, and it can get irritating. Just try to chill out a little.


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Natasha Wong

Senior Member

11-14-2012

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Originally Posted by Tenmar View Post
So I'm on my final strike and I'm really trying my best to reform but I know I'm going to get into tribunal not because I'm swearing or being overly negative anymore. But because people are abusing the report system just to get other players banned out of spite. I really would feel it would be unjust to have my account banned because of these false reports that are putting me into tribunal.

I've contacted player support demonstrating my concern and this is the statement I get from them over these false reports.



So even if a player is reporting me out of spite it still counts towards putting me in tribunal. Now over the course of a simple 48 hour period I've already collected 3 false reports and players even admitting why they reported me for unjust reasons

So I've decided that everytime a player admits to me in post game chat that they are reporting me I'm going to ask them why and post it here. I'm not calling out the players but instead demonstrate that players if given the option are going to abuse the system and I as a player trying my best to reform have no actual means or tools by Riot to demonstrate that I've been doing better.

As a note my last ban was in the month of October and the one before that was back in May 2012. So there is a 6 month gap to which I think I have improved and demonstrated positive reform.
Yep and even when you Mute/Ignroe them they threaten to report you for refusing to communicate. I do everything even debate them without curssing, harassing, or such sometimes to try to get them to listen, if they can't listen especially pregame neither can I and I will finally just mute/ignroe them and go about my game.

ALthough due to this reason I am sure the trolls will win again likely even with all the cursing they do towards me and others in some games, but not directed directly at me but my mother );.


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AlwaysUsesAnivia

Member

11-14-2012

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Originally Posted by daMar View Post
eh, even so permabanning is done manually so I really don't see anything to worry about.
He's saying that his account wouldn't even be up for permaban manual review in the first place if not for false reports, you idiot.

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As for false reports you will likely get pardoned anyway.
Yeah, tell that to these people:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5625578/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5717257/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5629924/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5640402/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5740712/#nogo
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribu...e/285335/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5755661/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5755011/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5756146/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5789926/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5770508/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5786784/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5813740/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5814612/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5810179/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5812628/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5768702/#nogo
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribu...e/341507/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5742169/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5829887/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5834428/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5844943/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5857671/#nogo
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribu...e/378209/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5849302/#nogo
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribu...e/242899/#nogo
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribu...e/269019/#nogo
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribu...e/314845/#nogo
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribu...e/324966/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5836943/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5921682/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5929708/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5928162/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5930455/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5927909/#nogo


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Senior Member

11-14-2012

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Originally Posted by AlwaysUsesAnivia View Post
He's saying that his account wouldn't even be up for permaban manual review in the first place if not for false reports, you idiot.



Yeah, tell that to these people:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5625578/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5717257/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5629924/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5640402/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5740712/#nogo
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribu...e/285335/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5755661/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5755011/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5756146/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5789926/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5770508/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5786784/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5813740/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5814612/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5810179/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5812628/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5768702/#nogo
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribu...e/341507/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5742169/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5829887/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5834428/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5844943/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5857671/#nogo
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribu...e/378209/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5849302/#nogo
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribu...e/242899/#nogo
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribu...e/269019/#nogo
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribu...e/314845/#nogo
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribu...e/324966/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5836943/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5921682/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5929708/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5928162/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5930455/#nogo
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5927909/#nogo

Not sure if you are serious with some of those cases or not(haven't had time to go through all of them or not. False reports are likely to get pardoned if not there is a team that tries to avoid false reports becoming anything in the punishment side. That being said their might be false reports in a case but a Riot employee audits said summoner and it is decided they are in need of a punishment. IIRC they don't have an implementation to inform the audit bans.


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