Gragas and Annie is having a relationship

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Recun

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02-05-2014

Why does Gragas ult is getting raped


while Annies ult remained untouched


while they deal the same damage


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Ahri Main

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02-05-2014

Gragas ult does more damage, but it's basically an inverse janna ult that 80%'s the non tank's, the most devastating effect being the displacement of your team. it's a huge controll thing. annie ult is a pretty decent size aoe but it's also very short range and you won't get a good tibbers unless you flash for it. Gragas will just throw that **** at you from 900 units and half of your team is ****ed and the other half is trying to run away from god knows what position.


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Recun

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02-05-2014

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Originally Posted by Ahri Main View Post
Gragas ult does more damage, but it's basically an inverse janna ult that 80%'s the non tank's, the most devastating effect being the displacement of your team. it's a huge controll thing. annie ult is a pretty decent size aoe but it's also very short range and you won't get a good tibbers unless you flash for it. Gragas will just throw that **** at you from 900 units and half of your team is ****ed and the other half is trying to run away from god knows what position.
Gragas ult deals 450 + 100% AP

Annies ult deals 450 + 70% AP + Tibbers active deals 35 + 20% AP every second + the AA from Tibbers

so that make up for the lost 30%


+ she can stun everyone for 1.75 seconds


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Recun

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02-05-2014

bump


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Ahri Main

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02-05-2014

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Gragas ult deals 450 + 100% AP

Annies ult deals 450 + 70% AP + Tibbers active deals 35 + 20% AP every second + the AA from Tibbers

so that make up for the lost 30%


+ she can stun everyone for 1.75 seconds
Annie's tibbers can be kited after the initial cast and killed as well. it's also a slow DPS so it can be healed off of through sustian means. to equal the same damage you'd have to say at least give tibbers 5 auto attacks which is a span of 7 seconds.

this difference there is gragas does it in .5 seconds. instantaneous nukes are more devastating and impactfulll than doing damage over a duration, for example. if i had an ability that did 3k damage instantaneously with a 2 minute cooldown. it would be more impacting than an aoe that did 3k damage over a duration of 20 seconds with a 40 second cooldown.

as well, as i said, tibbers is a short range cast. you'll almost never catch a 5 man tibbers unless int he most ideal situation. you can launch gragas barrel and almost be garunteed to blow the entire team apart.


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3ternalkarma

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02-05-2014

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Originally Posted by Recun View Post
Why does Gragas ult is getting raped


while Annies ult remained untouched


while they deal the same damage
meanwhile Gragas ultimate is the size of mid lane.... or feels like it and annies is a small circle


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Dances

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02-05-2014

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pretty decent size aoe
...i'm not so sure of that,and if I remember right its aoe is nothing to a gragas


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Recun

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02-05-2014

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Annie's tibbers can be kited after the initial cast and killed as well. it's also a slow DPS so it can be healed off of through sustian means. to equal the same damage you'd have to say at least give tibbers 5 auto attacks which is a span of 7 seconds.

this difference there is gragas does it in .5 seconds. instantaneous nukes are more devastating and impactfulll than doing damage over a duration, for example. if i had an ability that did 3k damage instantaneously with a 2 minute cooldown. it would be more impacting than an aoe that did 3k damage over a duration of 20 seconds with a 40 second cooldown.

as well, as i said, tibbers is a short range cast. you'll almost never catch a 5 man tibbers unless int he most ideal situation. you can launch gragas barrel and almost be garunteed to blow the entire team apart.
first of all , Tibbers auto attacks is different than the AOE 35 + 20% AP sunfire damage he deals

35 + 20% AOE damage per second is not a slow DPS , plus Tibbers have 3k health and 70 armor and MR , good luck with killing that

when you stun them for 1.75 , they will get damaged by Tibbers sunfire for atleast couple of times , so that is 70 + 40% AP plus 450 + 70% ap , totall of 520 + 110% AP damage , if not higher


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Recun

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02-05-2014

i need an official response


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Pudii Pudii

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02-05-2014

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first of all , Tibbers auto attacks is different than the AOE 35 + 20% AP sunfire damage he deals

35 + 20% AOE damage per second is not a slow DPS , plus Tibbers have 3k health and 70 armor and MR , good luck with killing that

when you stun them for 1.75 , they will get damaged by Tibbers sunfire for atleast couple of times , so that is 70 + 40% AP plus 450 + 70% ap , totall of 520 + 110% AP damage , if not higher
35 + 20% Aoe is slow DPS when compared to an instant 100% AP AoE skill, and implying that tibbers is hard to kill, you can smite the damn thing.

You're only going to be standing next to tibber for the stun duration which if you have Merc treads is a little over 1 second. You'll still be grouped with your team and able to run away safely; you can also flash out of a tibber's ult. While if you flash from a gragas ult you'll still take the damage and be thrown away from your team.

The displacement and range alone justify any nerfs that want to be done, with 1:1 scaling on his ultimate his full combo will kill adc/support/apc if they don't have flash available late game.


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