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SquarePeg

Member

11-06-2012

Just an idea I came up with when trying to think of ways to make stronger "protect the ---" teamcomps. I feel like it would give you greater map control, a stronger adc, and easier grouping, at the loss of buff control.

So, the main idea is to feed the adc every possible advantage. To do this, it makes sense to send the adc mid, which is both the safest lane and the one with the most jungle access. Extending On this, you would combine the roles of support and jungle, having the support clear buffs and camps, giving red buff and second blue to the adc mid, in addition to letting the adc last hit the large wraith for gold. This tactic will make your adc ridiculous in lane (someone like Caitlin or kogmaw with good range is recommended) giving them a huge farm lead. In addition, this puts the support around mid, making warding easier and more extensive.
Top and bot lanes would be pretty much interchangeable. You would néed someone who is strong enough to do a 1v2 bot lane, and someone who can survive against traditional tops top. Your last player would be like the other half of your jungler/support, switching between top and bot lane, taking tp, (Shen would be nice here), ganking and pushing down lanes.

Eh?


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lxSOS Brigadexl

Senior Member

11-06-2012

read mine.


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PogoPogoPogoPogo

Senior Member

11-06-2012

I didn't quite read this, but here's what I'll say. This is something I can't imagine really working in solo/duo queue. Whether it'd work in prearranged 5s queue, I don't know. I didn't read far enough to make an estimation.

The problem with a "Protect the _____" composition in solo/duo queue is that if the guy playing "________" champion sucks, your team is screwed because everyone else on your team took a champion specifically for protecting him, so he's your primary source of damage.

If you don't run a "Protect the ______" composition, you take an ADC that has more maneuverability, and a jungle/top that can dish out a bit more damage than they would in a protect comp.


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JRiMi

Senior Member

11-06-2012

Its not good BC you would pretty much have to send an AP carry solo top(generally no good escapes which is why they go mid) or bot(most AP carries will not be able to 1v2 ESP against an adc/sup). Also, Most "Support" champs would have terrible clear times in jungle. I just do not see it working sorry. This is just my personal opinion tho don't let it stray you from trying.


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Best Furry NA

Member

11-06-2012

Depends.

If you have a jungler like Maokai or my personal favorite, Skarner, and someone like Vladamir or Mordekaiser top, then you could have an AD mid. Just not Vayne. Someone with really long range, that could survive bursts. Sivir comes to mind due to her spell shield. Talon works but he's an assassin, not an AD carry.

Bot lane confuses me in what you say though.... You mean to have a roamer and a true bot? Roamer would likely be Twitch as he does that well, but that gets really sketchy.... Bot lane solo? Not sure who could handle that.... Maybe Shen. Maybe.


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KnightxSScarlett

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11-06-2012

I do not find it uncommon to take Yorick solo bot. Plus he could revive the _____ to allow them to do damage again if they die.


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Friesguy

Senior Member

11-06-2012

I'm not going to say if this is a good or bad idea (I have no clue), but here's some suggestions in team ocmps.

Nidalee, Yorick, Jayce, Gangplank, really any top laner who can farm well from range could be a good solo bot lane.

If you want to run a comp like this, send Vladimir top. He has enough sustain to survive top lane anyways. I've seen some Katarina players go top recently with great success, and she's nearly impossible to gank with her escape. Just some ideas. Another tip, if you were to run a 5s comp like this, I'd highly suggest counter-jungling HARD with that roamer and jungler. Being able to 2 v 1 an enemy jungler in their jungle could be dangerous for them, and would be the only way your jungler and roamer would get enough experience and gold to keep up with the enemy jungler.

Small note, if you were to run a comp like this (which I think could be done as a nice "counter meta" if you were able to execute it perfectly, but emphasis on the perfectly), you could also just say "Screw regular supports" and take another duelist into the jungle to help kill the enemy jungler faster. I'm not sure how having another bruiser instead of a support would effect late game team fights. And anyways, if you were to run this type of team, you HAVE to win early. The longer the game goes, the more chances there are for the enemy jungler to catch up in the game. And the enemy AD Carry would be farming bot lane against your solo laner easily, so you'd have to have your AD Carry farm well in mid.

Anyways, it's a better suggestion than others I've seen, and Dignitas used something a little like this in the world finals, and it had some potential (before it got leaked lol). If you end up forming a team based around something like this, post some vids (if you're successful that is haha)


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I Love Slurpees

Senior Member

11-06-2012

ADC Mid? Zilean accepts the challenge


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Soraka Goes Mid

Senior Member

11-07-2012

The problem with putting this level of focus on the ADC is that, no matter how hard you try to protect them, they're going to get focused down, especially if the enemy team sees that they're leveling harder than everyone else. It might help you get an advantage early game, but when team fights happen, you'll have little damage capability once your ADC is down, since your APC (if you have one?) will not be as strong. And you want an APC with high damage capability in team fights anyway. ADCs can keep shooting as long as they're alive, even if they're not fed, but an APC is basically out of the fight once their burst is over (with a few exceptions such as Karthus who have little/no cooldown). So you want that burst to do as much damage as possible.


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Fiora All Night

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11-09-2012

It sounds interesting but a few things worry me. 1) Support: if the support is basically a jungle support then that means there is no place in the team comp for traditional supports. Blitz, Amumu, Nautilus, etc could do it but not the squishy ones like Sona, Soraka, Janna. 2) AP Carry: does this team comp even have mages? The best I can think of would be an AP assassin as your fifth roamer but that cuts out a lot of powerful picks that'll just get used against you to burst the hell out of that carry. 3) Top and Bot: Is this a double bruiser set-up? You would pretty much need a bruiser at top and likely a very tanky bruiser at bot to go 1 v 2.

It seems like it could be effective but the champion selection for this comp seems really limited and easy to counter-pick.


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