Why must toxic players ruin my games?

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Grollm

Senior Member

10-31-2012

Here's the thing Atheist, you have to keep your mouth shut. Period. It was the hardest thing for me to grasp, but once I started worrying about my own lane and winning my battles, always buying a ward when I go back to base regardless if I'm adc, support or any other lane, and trying to ping and help my team mates out. A lot of people don't grasp morale in this game. If you start bickering at each other and fighting, you are no longer paying attention to the game and YOU ARE STANDING STILL. Not a good combination. Just win your lane, do what you do best, and always ward and ping and your elo will rise. I dropped as low as low 600s because I would call people out, I would call them fail and baddies, and they in turn would talk **** to me. It would spiral out of control and next thing I know they are at our nexus turret. Since I've started focusing on me and not what the rest of my team is doing (good or bad) my elo has risen almost 100 points in just 3 days.


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AtheistGuy1

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10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by PogoPogoPogoPogo View Post
The fact that you keep telling me that I'm missing the point, and then you try to prove that I'm missing the point by explaining whatever X reason people get stuck makes me think you're not just missing my point. It makes me think you're just not reading my posts.


AtheistGuy1, I assume you want to rise in Elo. I assume you know that having a negative attitude impacts your ability to win games (since that's what your complaining about in this thread), so I assume that you NEVER have a negative attitude in your ranked matches.

If we can assume that all of this is true, then here's the math.

Let's say that in terms of skill level, you're actually exactly even with the average for your Elo. So in any game in which there's not a negative attitude, you're going to win 50% of them and lose 50% of them. Can you agree to this math? Do I need to elaborate on this math? If you do not understand why this is true, then you need to let me know so I can explain this part further.

Now, IF there is a negative attitude, since it is never you, it must be coming from one of the other 9 players in the match. There is a 4/9 chance that it is a teammate (44.4%) and a 5/9 chance that it is an enemy (55.6%).

Now, this is just the math for when there is one negative player. It gets more complicated with multiple negative attitudes, but the math will still show that when there are an odd number of negative attitude players, the enemy team will have more negative attitudes more often than your team. The enemy team will even have more negative attitudes when there's an even number of negative attitudes, but in this scenario, sometimes both teams have the same number of negative attitudes, so it cancels out.


So, here's the point. Let's say there's a negative attitude in a drastically high percentage of your games. Let's say 80% of your games have a negative attitude. And you're going to play 100 games.

Okay, well in the 20% of the matches in which there is no negative attitude, you win 50% of the time, remember? So for these 20 matches, you have 10 wins and 10 losses.

Now, in the other 80% of the games, I already showed you the math (and if you have questions about ANY math, you MUST let me know so I can explain it further) that demonstrates the enemy team has the negative attitude 55.6% of the time, so that means YOUR team will win 55.6% of these matches, while the enemy team wins the 44.4% of the time your team has the negative attitude. Out of these 80 matches, you'll win roughly 44 of them and lose 36 of them. These are the matches attributed to negative attitudes.

So, after 100 matches, you've won 54 and lost 46. If we assume an an average Elo change of 12.5 (some are as low as 11, some as high as 14, but the average is 12.5), then you'll have gained 100 Elo over the course of these 100 matches. You'll average +1 Elo per match just for being EQUAL skill level to the opponents in your Elo bracket and with negative attitudes determining the outcome of 80% of the matches.

In fact, if negative attitudes determines the outcome of all 100 matches, you'd actually gain more Elo. If a negative attitude determined the outcome of all 100 matches, you'd gain roughly 150 Elo, having won 56 and lost 44 matches,




So you say I don't get it, and that negative attitude keeps people in Elo hell. I get it. But the only attitude that can keep YOU at a low Elo is your OWN attitude. Otherwise, that attitude is on the enemy team more often and causing the enemy team more losses than your team. And what that means is that even if you have identical skill level to your opponents, you'll gain in Elo.

The math is not wrong. Period. The only thing that can be wrong at this point is one of your logical assumptions.

Do not respond trying to explain to me that I just don't get it. At this point, you can either try to explain how my math is wrong (it's not) or come up with a better argument for why you're stuck in Elo hell since you, like everyone else in Elo hell, is not willing to admit that they're at that Elo because that's simply how good they are at the game.
Alright. You wanna do this? Let's do it. Cite your sources.


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AtheistGuy1

Senior Member

10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by Grollm View Post
Here's the thing Atheist, you have to keep your mouth shut. Period. It was the hardest thing for me to grasp, but once I started worrying about my own lane and winning my battles, always buying a ward when I go back to base regardless if I'm adc, support or any other lane, and trying to ping and help my team mates out. A lot of people don't grasp morale in this game. If you start bickering at each other and fighting, you are no longer paying attention to the game and YOU ARE STANDING STILL. Not a good combination. Just win your lane, do what you do best, and always ward and ping and your elo will rise. I dropped as low as low 600s because I would call people out, I would call them fail and baddies, and they in turn would talk **** to me. It would spiral out of control and next thing I know they are at our nexus turret. Since I've started focusing on me and not what the rest of my team is doing (good or bad) my elo has risen almost 100 points in just 3 days.

You do realize that's what we did, right? I don't know where this long rant came from, but the entire game consisted of me and two others actively tying to push a lane, while the others did anything but push or help us live.


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KingSnafu

Senior Member

10-31-2012

your an atheist so you obviously think with some amount of intelligence why didnt u just read old forums and come to your own conclusions..


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Grollm

Senior Member

10-31-2012

And maybe read the forum post that I posted on earlier? I didn't look up the individual stats of the said game you are talking about and in actuality I wouldn't know how the game panned out unless I was spectating or you had a replay on the game. It seems like your attitude needs a little work there bud. You posted on the forums obviously for feedback and you are getting mad when people are trying to give you constructive criticism. If you didn't want the help then just post and vent and don't come back to the forum topic.


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AtheistGuy1

Senior Member

10-31-2012

I didn't post for feedback, is the thing. People just came and threw in their two cents.


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Grollm

Senior Member

10-31-2012

Then get a blog. That's what forums are for.


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KingSnafu

Senior Member

10-31-2012

so you post on a public FORUM and yet u dont want feedback... think we found the common denominator in all your toxic games.

and as far as asking someone to cite there sources when there just using basic math from formulas found in the forums... try spending a few hours on this site

http://www.basic-mathematics.com/


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Grollm

Senior Member

10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by KingSnafu View Post
so you post on a public FORUM and yet u dont want feedback... think we found the common denominator in all your toxic games.

and as far as asking someone to cite there sources when there just using basic math from formulas found in the forums... try spending a few hours on this site

http://www.basic-mathematics.com/
Took the words right out of my mouth KingSnafu. It's funny how people who talk about toxic players are the usually the culprits or at least part of the problem.


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AtheistGuy1

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10-31-2012

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Then get a blog. That's what forums are for.

I am aware. It's fine that people give feedback, I just don't want anyone to think I asked for it, nor do I want them to be surprised when I actually bother to give my opinion as well.


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