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Updates to the Tribunal

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Tenmar

Senior Member

10-25-2012

Honestly I really don't know how to improve anymore. I really did tone down my ways and it was almost over half a year since my previous ban(by like three days). I really just need someone to tell me what is acceptable and what isn't.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2723023


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PalinMajere

Junior Member

10-25-2012

Quote:
MuhGeeSher:
Reform Card?
I don't really see why you have to add how much $ you spend on the game, it doesn't exclude anyone from entering the Tribunal.

all im saying is after seeing my friends unfair treatment i will not be spending anymore money on this game ever again... to me its not worth it to invest in a game that i will get banned for nothing other than the other team didnt like the fact that they lost... just not worth putting my money down on this game anymore


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MuhGeeSher

Senior Member

10-25-2012

Quote:
SlayerSCross:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribunal/en/case/5819249/#nogo

I am posting this because I was recently banned and I feel that my punishment was a bit harsh based on the facts and cases.

These were my cases in which I got banned for a week for the second time. The first case I was reported by the Irelia who said, ""after i locked in top he locked in darius and went top anyway and forced me to support irelia." This just shows a major flaw of the Tribunal. You can't be banned for played a different meta or being bad. In the game, yes I used foul language. However, I did not verbally harass or abuse the other players. I just pointed out what my teammates were doing. Draven clearly fed as seen by his score. The thing is, if I had said nothing at all the entire game, I could have been reported for "Refusing to Communicate with Team" which would have gotten me banned anyways. The first report could not have even been taken into consideration because locking in as a champ, even if it is against the current meta isn't a ban-able offense. The rest of the cases I was reported by one person each time.

In the second case I was reported by an enemy player that was falsely accusing me to be a troll. As most Normal Blind Pick games work, people lock in whatever champ they feel they want to play. I locked in a jungler and so did my teammate. Locking in 2 junglers isn't a ban-able offense and when I was accused of trolling and my teammates were calling me names, I decided to retaliate. Most of the players were using vulgar language, but that is common in anything online. You can't stop people from doing this kind of stuff. However, I do understand that using vulgar language is against the summoner code. I'm curious to know if everyone who has ever used a swear word in game has been banned. The way the tribunal works is that if one person reports a player for X reason, then it becomes a case on the tribunal waiting be judged. Even if the player didn't do anything wrong, people on the tribunal can choose to punish and that person will get banned.

The 3rd and 4th cases I don't believe I did anything bad, and don't think I completely violated the sacred Summoner Code. This is the second time I have been banned. 3 out of 4 of the cases I didn't necessarily do much that was bad. The thing is if this stuff happened to professional players riot would probably do something about it, but since the rest of us are plebeians, we really have no say. If people in high elo repeatedly reported Dyrus for X reason, even if he is innocent, the case would show up in the Tribunal. Then people can use the tribunal, look at the cases and falsely punish him and get him banned. This is something that needs to be fixed. The tribunal is a great idea, but it still needs adjustments. I feel that for the most part the tribunal is working and the people who are purposely making the game horrible for others are banned from the game, but there are quite a few situations where players are severely punished for small stuff or they are innocent entirely. I feel that if each case has CLEAR violations or ban-able offenses then it should be up to the community to ban or pardon the accused player. If certain cases lack ban-able offenses, then they should not be taken into consideration at all. Maybe if there was a part of the tribunal that looked at cases and made sure it wasn't just false reports, then it would make the tribunal more efficient.

For the most part I believe I am part of a small group of people that I feel are falsely banned. If anyone has been in a game that causes frustration, I believe they know where I am coming from. I know I said some bad things in a couple of the games, but I don't feel that I should be banned from LoL. I have played several games with the same people that are offensive and vulgar and they don't get banned. I just feel that riot should look more into this and take the Tribunal and and make more improvements.

I know this is a long post, but If you read through most of it I thank you for your time and consideration.



#2... Malphite [All] [00:09:53] no you are just bad, and lack intelligence
Malphite [All] [00:09:56] keep your mouth shut.. Malphite [All] [00:08:04] you ****ing ******

Verbal Abuse.
#4.. Verbal Abuse much?

Need I say more..


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Feg

Junior Member

10-25-2012

Quote:
fellnine:
thanks for the continual work in making this game a better place to play riot

ha gay


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Akesgeroth

Senior Member

10-25-2012

Quote:
Tenmar:
Honestly I really don't know how to improve anymore. I really did tone down my ways and it was almost over half a year since my previous ban(by like three days). I really just need someone to tell me what is acceptable and what isn't.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2723023


Mordekaiser [00:34:20] WE NEED A GOOD AD CARRY
Mordekaiser [00:34:21] FFS
Mordekaiser [00:34:39] UGH
Mordekaiser [00:34:54] ATTACK THEM TRIST
Mordekaiser [00:34:55] FFS
Mordekaiser [00:34:56] OMG
Mordekaiser [00:35:00] USELESS PIECE OF ****

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Man, I wonder why people picked punish.


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Squall Leonhart9

Junior Member

10-25-2012

I find everyone having a wrong concept of their role in the tribunal. People think that they play the role of judge, when they actually are being a Jury. I am a lawyer myself and i'd like to humbly put my point of view to clear this mistake.

In fact, the ultimate decision is given by Riot Staff, even if its automatic and no person is directing this action, the only one with the tools to punish or pardon a character is them, so that is why they dont need to know what is right and what is wrong, they put that job on the jury's judgment who is composed for a large number of "voters" where, in the end, simple majority will be factor of decision.

So, doesnt matter if you need to know where is the difference between whats good or whats wrong? or if you need more or less information, because it depends on what you actually see; remember justice is blind and it will only depend on the few information you are able to adquire. If, due to the information you "feel" a person should be pardoned or punished, then you set your "vote" and if majority thinks the same way than you, then something very close to justice will be archieved. This lead me to another topic.

I would NEVER skip a case i can perfectly understand in any language. It's very well know, even if you are not a lawyer, that innocence is presumed, so, if you have no proof at all that could make you "feel" a person is quilty, also know as "punished", then that person deserves to be absolved of any charge. Even if i think i should not do it, i would click Pardon, because again, if the proof i can see with my own eyes are not enought, or its not very clear, doing nothing is equal to a sentence to punish. however this is my personal point of view, arguing about it its the same deal than using the tribunal. Good luck to everyone and have fun!


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MuhGeeSher

Senior Member

10-25-2012

Quote:
evens vengeance:

People get reported by groups who queue together all the time for stupid ****. It easy for people to get reviewed or even banned due to this fact. You piss off one person and you get 4 instant reports. This is the same concept as honor farming. It deserves the same fix.
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If you get those reports and end up in the Tribunal and get banned no absolutely doing nothing then it's the Tribunal Votes.. who keep punishing instead of pardoning... lol...I think they are looking into honor farming.. Those who get caught are getting reset to 0 or something along those lines.


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VelocityShots

Junior Member

10-25-2012

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30674371&posted=1#post30674371 rioter review my post please.


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MuhGeeSher

Senior Member

10-25-2012

Quote:
PalinMajere:
all im saying is after seeing my friends unfair treatment i will not be spending anymore money on this game ever again... to me its not worth it to invest in a game that i will get banned for nothing other than the other team didnt like the fact that they lost... just not worth putting my money down on this game anymore


I can't say much not seeing any evidence that your friend was innocent. If he was treated unfairly, get in contact with support. I don't see why it's so hard. My brother was unfairly banned > contacted support.. and he got the account back . Though - it took like a week for them to respond.. It's simple. Sure, the Tribunal is not the best but they are trying to improve it, etc.. Just because something happened to your friend doesn't mean it'll happen to you.. If you don't want to spend money. That's totally fine..League of Legends is free to play last time I checked :P


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Tenmar

Senior Member

10-25-2012

Quote:
Akesgeroth:
Mordekaiser [00:34:20] WE NEED A GOOD AD CARRY
Mordekaiser [00:34:21] FFS
Mordekaiser [00:34:39] UGH
Mordekaiser [00:34:54] ATTACK THEM TRIST
Mordekaiser [00:34:55] FFS
Mordekaiser [00:34:56] OMG
Mordekaiser [00:35:00] USELESS PIECE OF ****

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Man, I wonder why people picked punish.


Did you bychance watch the replay video I provided or read this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUBwGcxHqbc

hmmmmmmm
Mordekaiser [00:00:24] where to malph?
Diana [00:00:30] mord can you fight panth?
Malphite [00:00:32] is that a question?
Mordekaiser [00:00:34] yeah
Mordekaiser [00:00:35] I can
Diana [00:00:37] k
Diana [00:00:42] i take eve then
Diana [00:06:07] mia
Diana [00:06:58] mia
Ezreal [All] [00:07:45] tris use pots?
Diana [00:08:00] warded
Diana [00:08:08] mia care bot
Diana [00:08:35] mid still mia
Diana [00:08:39] re
Diana [00:10:53] ult
Diana [00:14:55] sigh
Diana [00:14:58] dat stunlock
Mordekaiser [00:16:17] I have an ez at top
Mordekaiser [00:16:22] swap lane?
Diana [00:16:25] sure

You might be shocked that if you would stop looking for just the bad but also look for the good you will see that playing the match I tried to be a real team player and worked well with mid and jungle. It is true I got frustrated with bot lane because they were performing VERY poorly. And while you can look at the reform card and see a full build trist she didn't complete that until we were about to lose. So knowing when she got the items and when she died in the match is very important in terms of context.