Why soft reset..

123
Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

SRPigeon

This user has referred a friend to League of Legends, click for more information

Senior Member

10-20-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by 7777Peggy7777 View Post
GD-If you can't carry a game with bad team mates you deserve to be in "elo hell"

But hard elo reset? can't do that! we'll get dragged down by bad players!


...lol
They're not saying they couldn't eventually carry it out.

What they're saying is:
A) It would waste people's time. A month just to reach back to an ELO in which people play at your level.
B) Newbies would get stomped really hard by high ELO players. A few might "enjoy a challenge", but most would just get really ragey and it would cause bad manners and upset stomachs throughout the community.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

YuI Brenner

Senior Member

10-20-2012

Well my thread got closed so I'll just leave this here.

There are only 2 reasons I can think of that Riot is clinging to this soft reset:

1. They don't believe in fair competition. A quick look at their track record and this proves to be false.

2. They don't fully trust their ELO system. This scenario seems more likely, however it can only be properly tested with a hard reset.

In the spirit of competition, a hard reset is the only truly competitive answer. A new season, should come with equal footing for all. (Sorry for any grammar/spelling mistakes, I just woke up)


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

GypsyReborn

This user has referred a friend to League of Legends, click for more information

Senior Member

10-20-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by oViicZi View Post
Why can't EVERYONE start at 1200 elo again for season 3.

If there is no such thing as elo hell then they will eventually reach their 'true' elo anyway. This gets rid of all the bad players that are gold/plat/diamond and don't deserve to be there.

I'm not saying I am not bad or something, but my 2.5k elo friend always complains about bad 2kers that don't deserve to be there.
the reason theres a soft reset over a hard is because 2500 elo players are going to be playing at the 1200 bracket. yeah many will carry themselves back up to 2500 and they will stay there for the good of all mankind. but some won't be able to. imagine how it feels to be the 2500 elo player on the enemy team that has 4 1300 elo players and the enemy team has miraculously come up with 3 2500 elo hard carry players. now this scenario is very unlikely but its also very possible after a hard reset where everyone (all the people who are 1200+ and sub1200.) is in the same bracket. the only thing this really does is speed up queue times and thats not worth the effort of having people rage and get mad that they can't carry themselves out of the elo they are in after the hard reset and after their placement matches.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

YuI Brenner

Senior Member

10-20-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by GypsyReborn View Post
the reason theres a soft reset over a hard is because 2500 elo players are going to be playing at the 1200 bracket. yeah many will carry themselves back up to 2500 and they will stay there for the good of all mankind. but some won't be able to. imagine how it feels to be the 2500 elo player on the enemy team that has 4 1300 elo players and the enemy team has miraculously come up with 3 2500 elo hard carry players. now this scenario is very unlikely but its also very possible after a hard reset where everyone (all the people who are 1200+ and sub1200.) is in the same bracket. the only thing this really does is speed up queue times and thats not worth the effort of having people rage and get mad that they can't carry themselves out of the elo they are in after the hard reset and after their placement matches.
In season 1 everyone started at equal rating and the game wasn't more "ragey" than it was at any other period. It would probably be even less "ragey" because of the new honor system.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

sungkwon

Senior Member

10-20-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by QwertyiouP View Post
What does the soft reset do?
So what Yegg said on the post about Victorious Janna, is that a soft reset is going to take a snapshot of your current Elo+50 (to make up for the average decay) and it's going to compress everyone -closer- to 1200, not necessarily put them at 1200.

This will drag down some of the higher Elo players for sure, but it will also bring up some of the lower Elo players.

This new Elo is what you will start Season 3 with, for your placement matches (10 for solo, 5 for team queues). There is still the bonus-streak of Elo gain so that if you're an experienced player who wins a lot, you will climb the ladder faster til you reach roughly where you're likely at.

The idea is if some players are "trapped" in Elo hell, or who have been trying to climb their ladder, the next season will be as close to as clean of a slate as they can get, and give them a good oppurtunity to make that final pull out.

The other idea, as mentioned before, is it keeps you from queuing for Ranked, if everyone starts just at 1200, and you end up with scarra or TheOddOne or Reginald on your team carrying you up, or against you and stomping you to the ground. It helps keep everyone at their "true elo" but shakes things up enough to give players different opputunities. These same 2k+ elo players, who might get dragged down to 1800 (speculation, I have no idea what Yegg's formula is like), will still queue with players in the same skill bracket and they'll climb right back to their original Elos.

tl;dr: it's a good thing


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Ethelon

Senior Member

10-20-2012

This thread came up last year too.

It's not that we can't carry up again (See Season 2, where people thought Elo Hell would trap the pros), it's that it's annoying, stressful, and in a complete reset, you'll probably end up carrying a lot of people that don't deserve it.

It removes problems like a 2k + 4 1200s vs 5 1400s. If the 2k wins, there are problems; if he loses there are problems (For the overall elo balancing).


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

THE LOVE TONIGHT

Senior Member

10-20-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by RasaQ View Post

2. They don't fully trust their ELO system. This scenario seems more likely, however it can only be properly tested with a hard reset.
Elo system mathematically proven to work


123