Evelynn really isn't OP

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Xyltin

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10-15-2012

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Originally Posted by KireAB View Post
DFG and Cho's ult do WAY more damage and scale WAY better. Nerf Cho.
You forgot something:
Eve is in range for her DFG + R combo and you can't see her.
Eve has a pretty strong escape/chase mechanic.

AP Cho is ok, but avoid his Q and he won't get close for his ult. And even if you don't avoid it, you can stay at a higher range and wait for your tanks to build the front line or still use any MS boost or flash skill to get away.


Counter play is the important part.
Eve was made like this to make the following thing: Use R and get in with W. Now she should be able to 1v1 the enemy in a fair fight.
Now put DFG in there. She uses DFG + R and then goes in with W. Now the enemy is low enough that she will always win a 1v1. But her slow and W make sure that the enemy has no chance to escape.

Think about a Talon that can use DFG (now gives AD and scales with AD). He will have 100% kill possibility. But Talon can't escape as fast as eve and doesn't have a 500 Q range.

DFG was made for some AP champs to counter high HP enemies.
Now DFG is an AP assassin item. Even Akali can build it and she is ok.
Malz, Karthus, ....

When Karthus can build it, you know that it is broken. Karthus is an AOE caster with great DPS. He doesn't burst.


Why DFG shouldn't be for Assassins:
How do you play against assassin?
1. kill them fast before they get to you (very hard to do and no high success rate; also doesn't work against Eve)
2. get some defensive stats and after their burst, you are going to kill them (survive and strike back; Eve has a lot of DPS for an Assassin, so it is really hard to do that already)

Now if you put DFG in the hands of an Assassin that is supposed to bring you down to 10% HP in one combo and then kill you with 1-2 AA, he will kill you all the time and the main counter #2 falls away.

The amount of gold you have to raise to counter that is way too high (at least 1500g to not die that fast), cause you counter only around 300g (that's what you pay for the active effect on DFG without including the G/10 item that gives you at least 150g till you finish the DFG).


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Finanzamt

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10-15-2012

People complaining about Eve ... funny!

Counterpick her in lane - place fuc**ing pink wards to see if she's coming to your lane.
Pityful farm due to counterpicked - no ganks to get fed - Eve useless lategame.

What's so hard?

It's like the Mordekaiser QQ all over again...
Morde with DFG is way worse than an Eve with DFG.

Greetings


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tempnameA461

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10-15-2012

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Originally Posted by Finanzamt View Post
People complaining about Eve ... funny!

Counterpick her in lane - place fuc**ing pink wards to see if she's coming to your lane.
Pityful farm due to counterpicked - no ganks to get fed - Eve useless lategame.

What's so hard?

It's like the Mordekaiser QQ all over again...
Morde with DFG is way worse than an Eve with DFG.

Greetings
All right, I'll play this game.
You can't directly counterpick because Draft and Ranked, since, most of the time, its players worse than Nazis. So those modes are unplayable.
You can only send people who happen to counter her to mid.
She'll still get some decent farm.
Pink wards get pinked, and they often tell Eve so she can come around from a different direction.


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Jafryn

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10-15-2012

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Originally Posted by RainieDay View Post
having counter picks =/= not over powered.
Every champion has a few counter picks.

Eve is more of the opposite. There's a few champions that don't counterpick her. And quite a few that just completely shut her down.

There are so many that you need to create categories of Eve counterpicks.

There are champions that trash her in lane, but can't stop her roaming (Ryze, Fiddlesticks)

There are champions that trash her in lane, and can match her roaming capability (Kassadin, Katarina)

There are champions that completely zone her out of lane, stopping her from getting any CS for a DFG (Viktor)

And there are champions that trash her in lane and push so hard that they get a tower whenever she goes for a roam (Morde, Sion)

She reminds me of pre-nerf Kassadin, only instead of winning/stalemating most matchups she loses almost all of them.


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Captain UncleBen

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10-15-2012

Just pick Zyra and one burst her.

Push so hard she can't gank without losing farm.


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smokemyblackpole

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10-15-2012

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hurr durr what is push lane?


Pretty sure banshees and GA are good counters to eve late game.
Hurr durr have fun getting 1 global objective while she terrorizes your lanes. Oh, btw when eve is fed it really doesn't matter if you have banshee's veil when she can spam Q every other second and one will remove the shield. It's DFG+her ult that you have to be worried about. Just mad cause ur riding the eve train. It's ok bro. And no, pink wards do not spot eve quick enough since she can ranged nuke you with dfg + ult before you will even see her.

I love the people looking for counters for her in lane. Once again, that's not the problem. Plenty of mids can win lane and push vs. eve. She's being banned every game in worlds because of her roaming potential, not her laning phase noobs. Oh, and this is organized play. So if they are banning eve with 5 top tier people talking via headset you can bet your solo queue team will fail when she roams random lanes.


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HeartlessXiao

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10-15-2012

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Originally Posted by Dr Ray Jmoarkidz View Post
Why do people keep missing the point with eve. Eve doesn't lane well, she roams well. You winning lane isn't going to stop your team from getting ganked and two shotted continuously. You are SUPPOSED to win lane vs. eve. The real problem is that you can't rely on your team not to feed her in solo queue so she's an instant ban.
The champs I listed don't just win lane. They take a massive dump on her. Early, mid, and late game.


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Finanzamt

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10-15-2012

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All right, I'll play this game.
You can't directly counterpick because Draft and Ranked, since, most of the time, its players worse than Nazis. So those modes are unplayable.
You can only send people who happen to counter her to mid.
She'll still get some decent farm.
Pink wards get pinked, and they often tell Eve so she can come around from a different direction.
If that is your opinion - why do you play at all?

In normal games everything happens and you get 4 ADC at some point in a team ...
Riot clearly does not balance around normal games or even blind pick.

Morello explicitly said their main focus is competetive play and to some low extend solo queue (but at very high elo).

No one cares for 1.8k and lower (I'm currently at ~1650) and that is good!!
No one at this elo range is even close to be able give reasonable advices on balancing.

Greetings


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tempnameA461

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10-15-2012

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Originally Posted by Finanzamt View Post
If that is your opinion - why do you play at all?

In normal games everything happens and you get 4 ADC at some point in a team ...
Riot clearly does not balance around normal games or even blind pick.

Morello explicitly said their main focus is competetive play and to some low extend solo queue (but at very high elo).

No one cares for 1.8k and lower (I'm currently at ~1650) and that is good!!
No one at this elo range is even close to be able give reasonable advices on balancing.

Greetings
Blind pick!

Most people are actually very fun to play with in Blind. Honor is even very common.
It may just be a matter of extreme diverging luck.

The goal of the game (well, mine) is to have fun.
Let competitive people be competitive and balancing happen.
If the balancing makes that champ no longer fun for you, simply change champions.
You have no decent say in their balancing, but you gave that up to focus on fun ^.~


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KireAB

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10-15-2012

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Originally Posted by Xyltin View Post
How do you play against assassin?
1. kill them fast before they get to you (very hard to do and no high success rate; also doesn't work against Eve)
2. get some defensive stats and after their burst, you are going to kill them (survive and strike back; Eve has a lot of DPS for an Assassin, so it is really hard to do that already)
1. CC. Works vs anything. Also Eve's burst is not THAT fast. She needs to hit Q/E several times. She has ZERO dashes to do that. She can only cleanse ONE slow in like 20s.
2. Don't 1v1 assassin if you're not a bruiser/tank, that's a team game for a reason. Also Eve DPS is crappy after initial burst and not even close to DPS of traditional AP carries (which is crappy compared to AD carries) while she's almost as squishy.