World Playoffs - Rule Violations

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coeriv

Senior Member

10-10-2012

To the people saying that an entire team should not be disqualified due to one members actions.

They are a team of players who have chosen to work together for a common goal. If someone you let on your team has the lack of morals to cheat in a game, that reflects as a poor choice of the team in general, regardless of the skill the player has.

As a team, the actions of one represent the entire group. If you don't want to get disqualified for the actions of one person, don't let cheaters on your team.

In any case, it's nice to see riot issue a fine as well as donate that fine to charity... But to me it simply states "if you cheat to win, your just not going to win as much money!"

Cheating teams should be disqualified or a replay issued, simple as that.

Or maybe make your stage properly. Take a note from the SC tournaments in South Korea.. Players are in their own room where the only thing they could possibly see is their monitor, no distractions or temptation to cheat.

It's people playing a video game on a computer, do we really need to see them in person doing so? Facial reactions could be viewed and displayed on screen to get a feel for the players emotions if thats what your going for.

Putting the players in their own booths/rooms would also simplify minor technical issues such as teamspeak malfunctions and things like sun glare, while still allowing you to host the venue outside.


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Rustmaker

Senior Member

10-10-2012

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Originally Posted by ZipperTester View Post
Pretty much its.. Dyrus looked at screen, Woong looked at screen. But AZF benefited so they get fined. That is stupid, they both should be fined.
The game was paused when Dyrus looked and it is likely that they were expecting a reset due to technical difficulties anyways (the match had barely started). What Dyrus did was wrong in principle, but it did not give him any sort of unfair advantage like in the case of AZF (where they looked at the screen during play).


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Darth Melkor

Senior Member

10-10-2012

Scumbag Azubu Frost. Riot gives them a slap on the wrist but in the mean time TSM doesn't get another chance to show the world what they've been working hard for. There should be a rematch if you ask me, why not? This is a huge deal to everyone but really TSM gets the **** side of the stick.


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Selcopa

Senior Member

10-10-2012

There are alot of things wrong here.

Unsportsmanlike conduct in definition is an action that has no consequence on the outcome of a game, there's no advantage to be gained from acting in an unsportsmanlike manner, however there are penalties(see hockey) and fines(football), for doing certain actions that their respective leagues have deemed undesirable.

This is much different than penalties that players perform in a game such as holding, tripping, or looking at screen, these have direct in game consequences that create an unfair gain to the offenders, they have ingame penalties.

The key is that these penalties are not called or ruled in after a game, they must be enforced IMMEDIATELY during the game in order to compensate for the advantage gained from the infraction.

If riot wants to call it a penalty(as it should have been), the referee should have stopped the match as soon as the infraction occured, called the penalty(in my opinion, administered the fine and restarted the match) immediately, you cannot call a penalty post match to change the outcome of the game, but you must be competent enough to be able to accurately call penalties IN REAL TIME(see also:GB Packers vs Replacement Referees)

Finally consider this, imagine that Riot was simply a stadium designer, and there was an official that was superior to Riot, how would they react to the very design of the event, to even allow the ability to see the screen if they wanted to. That honestly is the biggest mistake here, its natural competition for players to look at the screen if possible, its Riots responsibility to create an environment where cheating is at a minimum, a simple room that blocks vision to the screen, or even a $100 curtain could have accomplished it.


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iFacepunch

Senior Member

10-10-2012

Horrible, a fine is all you get so why should anyone play fair? Not only that it always seems like Riot and all their staff do first after a mess up is cover their own ass.

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Originally Posted by RiotTiza View Post
As the lead referee for this event, let me respond.

We keep a constant watch on all the players on stage at all times. We have cameras as well as live people walking onto stage to keep tabs in everything. All players are told that they need to remain sitting, facing forward, and with headphones on at all times, including during pauses. I can personally confirm that no WE player looked at the minimap at any point during the match.

Players make eye contact on stage fairly regularly. Team WE in particular talked directly to each other a good amount. A single, limited camera view with a field of a few feet is not enough to determine where a someone is looking on a cross-stage scale. We directly monitor players to assure this is not the case, and maintained due diligence at all times over the course of the event.

Say what you like about WE's gameplay, but they did not jeopardize their chances of staying in the tournament by looking at the minimap (EDIT for clarity- because they didn't look at the minimap. If they had looked at the minimap, it would have jeopardized their standing in the tournament. I am not, in any way, condoning any player who gains an unfair advantage from any means).
Now they just put a bandaid on a decapitation to try to stop the bleeding. 20% is real tough.


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civ

Senior Member

10-10-2012

So when are you guys going to investigate and punish the people who were responsible for the god awful decision to have the minimap even remotely visible to the teams playing?


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Echorion

Senior Member

10-10-2012

Awesome news!

Also, RiotTiza your Esports coordinator directly said:
I can personally confirm that no WE player looked at the minimap at any point during the match.

Yet here is the ruling:

Ruling:
WE WeiXiao violated the rules by looking at the venue screens. Team WE did not obtain any significant benefits as a result.

Penalty:
WE WeiXiao is hereby warned not to engage in any further rule violations. Future violations may result in additional penalties.


Just saying perhaps one should examine the evidence before making a statement like that? Thank you.


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Akyko

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10-10-2012

Hey guys its okay to cheat! All that's going to happen if you do get caught is being fined a lil of the money you got from winning the game you cheated on!

30k? Pshhhh... We're going to win 2mil! Who cares?


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Frostywolf

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10-10-2012

im so glad this has been taken care of and the teams that broke the rules were punished


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Ezran

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10-10-2012

Good work Riot, making League an official sport with official rules