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Black Cleaver is a lot stronger than people give it credit.

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A bouncy Furret

Senior Member

10-08-2012

Too bad it still doesn't hold a candle to IE and BT.


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Egotistica

Senior Member

10-08-2012

It's still only a Vayne item.


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Major Jae

Recruiter

10-08-2012

Goes well with corki too


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Ginga

Recruiter

10-08-2012

I think it works with Twitch's ult. That sounds nice on him.


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Sybil Cut

Senior Member

10-08-2012

That said, it's more effective than Last Whisper unless they have 100+ armor. Gives more AD, gives AS, shreds more armor.

It also costs 600g more, but overall Black Cleaver is a better item than Last Whisper.


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mogonk

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10-08-2012

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Kaèl:
That said, it's more effective than Last Whisper unless they have 100+ armor.

So it's more effective against their ADC and MAYBE their support, and much, much worse against everyone else.

And it's more expensive.

Yeah, great item.


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Bloodpaly

Senior Member

10-08-2012

Cause people have sub 100 armor for soooooo much of the game.


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Vo0d0ochild

Senior Member

10-08-2012

I like it on Kayle jungle


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Whisla

Senior Member

10-08-2012

its more effective as a team item as well. adc and jungle eat when one has a bc
less armor = more dmg on everyone


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Sybil Cut

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10-08-2012

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mogonk:
So it's more effective against their ADC and MAYBE their support, and much, much worse against everyone else.

And it's more expensive.

Yeah, great item.


Well, keep in mind, the armor reduction is a debuff and not a static armpen, which means it might be more viable if a dual ADC meta ever evolves (because one could run BC and they could focus fire). As of now though, with tanky bruiser, mid building survivability and tanky bruiser jungle usually, it's hard to justify building it with the mass amount of armor running around. So I see what you mean, but the item definitely has standalone merits.


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