The Future Meta Shift: Replacing AD Carries With AD Assassins

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Tharama

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10-06-2012

The only this would work is if the enemy comp intentionally exposed themselves for you, gap closer or not.


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Pheṇm

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10-06-2012

I'd like to point out that pretty much all games in which he wasn't banned, Ezreal was the top pick.


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kthnxbai

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10-06-2012

do you know why AD carries get blown up in 2 seconds in teamfights? because if you don't focus them, they do ridiculous damage.

if you don't have your AD carry and they do, the fight is easily 3v4'able.

look at all the viable casters. if you can't apply pressure to the enemy AD carry in a teamfight, you're just not viable.

teams divert so many resources to take out the AD carry. it's not uncommon to sacrifice your top lane and your jungle to take him out


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MoonDragon314

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10-06-2012

Killerz, the entire reason ADCs fit the meta is if the players are any level DECENT they carry insanely well mid-late game (depending on their feed)

You mentioned both wing and talon, say that an opponent has a hard CC (knock-up, stun, knock-back snare, fear etc.) usually most teams have at least one or two.. Once either heroes plant themselves on a carry the team will reaction kind. Usually preventing you from killing them. as compared to AD carries with sufficient range (ezreal, graves, corki, kog'maw, Ashe) they can easily destroy and clean up teams when positioned correctly, not to mention that the majority of ADCs have some sort of escape mechanism excluding kog'maw and MF.

One must also assume that an AD ASSASSIN will be able to efficiently burst down and snipe high value targets...but most literal assassins are melee and this can easily compromise their safety albeit they babe escape mechanisms (getting baited etc.) Ranged ADCs are just as proficient in this and also offer range and safety being assured unless they are dumb enough to aggro waste their escape and die -_-

You need to consider hard CCs and the fact that people don't bring knives to gunfights bro...Ashe is a spectacular example of late game power, hitting for more than 500 damage with Infinity Edge, Phantom Dancer, Last Whisper, Maybe another PD.....Bloodthirster....per hit this sustained damage is what is insanely broken.

Let's assume your hypothesis and say both heroes attempt to charge a normal late game ADC....Ashe

Ashe has her Q on as she isn't farming or pushing, talon jumps into and silences her pops rake... Ashe simply auto attacks and kites once talon has finished his combo....if she survives :/ if it is another ADC they simply use their escape. If talon is caught off guard Ashe turns on Q, ults talon and W's and auto attacks until death from 600 range...and withut compromising her safety

Maybe there will be a day, where Assassins are the norm in the meta...but that will be a sign that players are either bad enough to get caught easily or just dumb enough to not counter such a basic play style

I AM IN NO WAY SAYING SUCH HEROES OR ROLES ARE BAD, I AM SIMPLY STATING IT IS INEFFICIENT AND IS EASILY COUNTERED BY THE RIGHT PLAYERS AND ISNT IN ANY WAY BAD!


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tempnameA461

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10-06-2012

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Originally Posted by Killzerz View Post
So we have all been watching the world championships lately
Stopped right there.
You're already a liar.


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MoonDragon314

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10-06-2012

Sorry I'm typing this on an IPad and it may have done incorrect auto-corrections so plz have mercy >.<


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Firellius

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10-06-2012

I think that the AD carry will continue as normal.

I think the AP carry will be replaced with AD assassin. Because they're better at taking down the enemy AD carry.


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swilson

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10-06-2012

Morello's stance is that ad carries are currently a little bit too strong, so it's interesting to see your contrasting opinion.


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Superbone1

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10-06-2012

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Originally Posted by VA Kalast View Post
In these games that are over at 25 minutes it's true the AD carry isn't the strongest character - they pull their weight though, and perhaps more importantly they keep the enemy team honest. If you don' run an AD carry they can just tank hard and your Assassin squad will lack the sustained dps to handle it, and they get to a more powerful lategame with an AD carry.
This.

Also, AD carries are RANGED. This means that they can help your team take down towers when you're pushing. If you can't take down towers, you can't win.


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Luckybed

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10-06-2012

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Originally Posted by Talonted Blade View Post
If AD assassins took over for AD carries everyone and their grandmother would get a gaurdian angel, it would be such an over powered item that it'd either:
A) Get nerfed down to uselessness.
B) Get removed entirely.
This is the biggest counter to burst champions.....hilariously enough, it would not have countered the roster Azubu frost had against TSM in the first game.