More Rengar numbers fun

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Secretbeef

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09-27-2012

Updated 30/09/2012

http://www.lolking.net/charts?region...p&range=weekly Go to top lane match ups

Rengar wins top lane over 53% up to 64% averaging ~ 56% of the time vs all other tops except Mordekaiser now is 45%

The sheer fact that Rengar has no Vs all tops less than 50% except 1 shows hes OP.

http://www.lolking.net/charts?region...e&range=weekly Go to win rate

Rengar has won 56% of games hes in
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Weekly Numbers.

Rengar's next basic attack deals bonus damage 30/55/80/105/130 +1.0AD scaling and grants him increased attack speed 30%/35%/40%/50%/55% for 3 seconds.

Ferocity Bonus: Deals additional damage equal to 150% of Rengar's attack damage and attack speed bonus is doubled.

So with Ferocity Thats the 30 +1.0AD + 1.5 AD and 60% AS and Refreshes CD for another Q 30+1.0AD scale +30% AS

Level 1 Q with 21/9/0 AD Marks and Quints/Armor Yellows/Mr Blues and a Dorans Blade

The next basic attack within 6 seconds deals 30 (+88) physical damage. Grants 30% Attack Speed for 3 seconds.

Ferocity bonus: Additionally deals 170% of Rengar's Attack Damage (+149.6) in bonus damage, and the Attack Speed bonus is doubled.

So 30+88 +149.6 +60% AS + 30+88+30% AS = 385.6 Damage +90% AS At level 1, never mind 62 damage from the auto attacks your landing so lets say 2 of them 509.6 Damage at rank 1

This time I'm saying it, Hes OP.

More math was requested

509 damage from Rengars Q vs a Fiora who started with cloth 5 pots (~55* Armor with masteries and runes)


So Rengar has 10% ARP and 6 flat arp

So 55 - 5.5 -= 43.5 Armor = 30% Damage reduction

509 - 157(damage reduced)= 352 of Fioras ~571 HP Leaving her at 219 HP. 62% of her HP gone 1 combo

Thats best case scenario for Fiora

Now you can say "Well that's unrealistic for him to get 5 stacks at level 1".. I could incorporate his W into that as well if GD really wants to see the damage go up

Edit again: For those saying "The nerfs changed his win rates" bla bla bla, the nerfs to Rengars W damage, did not hamper his Q's damage, higher cooldowns at lower ranks.
I put money on that tomorrow his win rates are still 55%+ and hes still 53% win rate against all other tops. (I was right)

INB4 Don't let him at your carries, His ulti

INB4 Oracles. His ultis range is longer than Oracles.

INB4 Armor!! Last Whisper

INB4 Down votes because you don't like the truth


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Secretbeef

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09-27-2012

Down vote me again!
I like it


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Takazok

Senior Member

09-27-2012

Don't let him at your carries

Oracles

Armor

Down vote


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Secretbeef

Senior Member

09-27-2012

Basic Math > Your downvotes

Quote:
Originally Posted by I Work Momz View Post
Don't let him at your carries

Oracles

Armor

Down vote
I'm quite sorry ol'chap, but your argument was countered before you posted. Cheerio


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Secretbeef

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09-27-2012

Nope
Bump


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IlexAlderwood

Senior Member

09-27-2012

Someone's got a beef with Rengar.

I remember back when everyone was like OMG WORST CHAMP EVAR, LOWEST WIN RATE.


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Secretbeef

Senior Member

09-27-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by IlexAlderwood View Post
Someone's got a beef with Rengar.

I remember back when everyone was like OMG WORST CHAMP EVAR, LOWEST WIN RATE.
Also, I never thought he was weak, Same thing has happened with

Vladimir
Riven
Lee Sin (The Blind Monk)
Ahri

All champs people thought were ****, turned out to be... Well...Awesome


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Secretbeef

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09-27-2012

I just don't get why all these threads DEFENDING Rengar are getting loads of attention from everyone, but no one seems to give 2 cents about the actual facts behind the QQ from Rengar.

I don't even see him in Ranked because hes banned all the time


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Brobat

Senior Member

09-27-2012

Burst Damage of an Assassin with the Bulk of a Bruiser.

Perfectly balanced game design.


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Raolan

Senior Member

09-27-2012

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Originally Posted by Secretbeef View Post
Basic Math > Your downvotes



I'm quite sorry ol'chap, but your argument was countered before you posted. Cheerio
Math with context > your maths.

Your maths also assumes true damage.

The only thing that I'd recommend nerfing on Rengar are his defensive stats.


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