Test for Tribunal membership

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AMDphreak

Senior Member

09-15-2012

The Tribunal is a joke. It relies on a tyranny of the majority, instead of an educated judge with impartial judgment, so there is indeed a big fat flaw in the Tribunal. People on average aren't intelligent, since half of them are below average. The Tribunal's judgment method is flawed because it puts a cleaver in the hands of a mass of uneducated and unintelligent people.

If someone wants to join the tribunal, there should be:
1. An ethics test
2. A test for impartiality
3. A basic IQ test
4. A test to see if they read the Summoner's Code and know what it means. Use examples of REAL crimes, so these plebeians know how to identify them properly, instead of spawning false positives.

And make sure they can't just go back and take the test until they get the right answers. There needs to be a time delay before they can take the test again, like 3 months.

You can ask the US police about their personality tests, because they do the same thing when they recruit cops.


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UglyPete

Senior Member

09-15-2012

You are judging people on sportsman like conduct. You are less of a judge and more of a ref.


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Mokkun

Senior Member

09-15-2012

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Originally Posted by AMDphreak View Post
The Tribunal is a joke. It relies on a tyranny of the majority,
Maybe you haven't read any of the other threads recently, but the current hot-button complaint is pardon spam. Since it requires a large majority to punish, this issue is in fact a tyranny of the minority.

Also, this is a community thing, not an actual official council of appointed judges. It's purpose is for the community to police itself, not some super minority.


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Mechickenz

Junior Member

09-15-2012

A test would discourage newer players from joining the tribunal. And if they failed it would end up making them feel like the don't belong as a part of the community because their ethics aren't similar or their IQ isn't high enough. A test on the summers code would have issues with specifics. The code is more of a general guideline to go by, not something specific you should know all the details of imo. From what I've seen the tribunal is looking out for whats best for the community, there isn't much of a point in trying to ruin a community that they are a part of, the level 20 requirement ensures that they are a part of the community. Even if the test were put in place it wouldn't stop someone who's determined to hurt the community. They could learn all the right answers to become a part of the smaller group of judges then their misuse would have an even greater affect because there would be less of the normal community coming to the tribunal to counter their affect.

Right now it seems like the biggest problem is people not looking past the first case. There are quite a few threads addressing this issue trying to determine what the best thing to do would be. Check out the other threads, you might find an idea you can support.


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NecroticBinder

Senior Member

09-15-2012

I'm going to say right now. You are absolutely one hundred percent biased. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../5675101/#nogo Is your case, or so you stated in another thread. While this doesn't mean that your idea is wrong on it's own, it does mean that we should be somewhat skeptical of your motives.

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The Tribunal is a joke. It relies on a tyranny of the majority, instead of an educated judge with impartial judgment,
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Originally Posted by Merriam Webster
1
: oppressive power <every form of tyranny over the mind of man — Thomas Jefferson>; especially : oppressive power exerted by government <the tyranny of a police state>
2
a : a government in which absolute power is vested in a single ruler; especially : one characteristic of an ancient Greek city-state
b : the office, authority, and administration of a tyrant
3
: a rigorous condition imposed by some outside agency or force <living under the tyranny of the clock — Dixon Wecter>
4
: an oppressive, harsh, or unjust act : a tyrannical act <workers who had suffered tyrannies>
The tribunal is not oppressive since around 2% of people actually even are sent to it. It's far from harsh, that's our problem of recent! Unjust is debatable, so for someone who is trying to create an idea because people are not 'intelligent' you are failing to meet your own standards.

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so there is indeed a big fat flaw in the Tribunal. People on average aren't intelligent, since half of them are below average. The Tribunal's judgment method is flawed because it puts a cleaver in the hands of a mass of uneducated and unintelligent people.
Here is your problem. That's not the flaw. People aren't the brightest, but they ARE empathetic. They aren't being asked to solve the global economic crisis, they are asking people if they feel the person in question ruined their game or not.

Your argument style is flawed because you don't research the system in question, especially considering that crowds tend to be smarter then individuals.

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If someone wants to join the tribunal, there should be:
1. An ethics test
According to what standard? The tribunal presently is designed to judge whether or not a player is wanted in the community and if they followed the summoners code which can be summed up into "Are they a jerk?" Most people know this.
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2. A test for impartiality
That word, it does not mean what you think it means. If they were partial that means they have a bias towards one party or another. Since both parties are anonymous, this would mean that you test if they are partial towards pardoning or punishing which is... kind of pointless.
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3. A basic IQ test
Is irrelevant. What you need is empathy, not logical thinking. You need to be able to place yourself in the shoes of the players involved and ask if the person broke the rules and if they should be allowed to play.
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4. A test to see if they read the Summoner's Code and know what it means. Use examples of REAL crimes, so these plebeians know how to identify them properly, instead of spawning false positives.
No. Real Crimes != Video Game Crimes, I'd think that someone who tries to use big words like "plebeians" would understand a basic concept such as this.

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And make sure they can't just go back and take the test until they get the right answers. There needs to be a time delay before they can take the test again, like 3 months.

You can ask the US police about their personality tests, because they do the same thing when they recruit cops.
Is all irrelevant because the premise of your idea fails.

So, thank you for the suggestion, but it's terrible.


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treef0rm

Senior Member

09-15-2012

I agree with him in one sense, there needs to be some sort of test. After all these pardons that should NOT be pardons that I've seen, I can see why the in-game community isn't getting better, when in theory, after months and months of tribunal, the community should have improved by a lot.


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Taylion

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09-15-2012

The tribunal relies on the majority for an initial disposition. Player support reps then review the decided cases and can overturn bad or under-informed decisions by the community.

I've got one that I voted in the minority to punish some one, and they were still punished.
I've seen examples of where people voted a majority to punish some one and they were pardoned.

The tribunal is like a quick sort, it does initial processing of cases, but the decisions of the community only weight the final outcome not decide it.