Why Garen abilities have no cost?

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Jesus the Friend

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09-13-2012

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Originally Posted by orionasdf View Post
why are you complaining solely about garen? there are several champions that don't use mana or energy or life or anything for their abilities.

including:
katarina
rengar
riven
tryndamere
shyvana
renekton
mordekaiser
.


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Jamaree

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09-13-2012

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Originally Posted by Kionashi View Post
that's why top lane is ruled by no mana based champs like morde
Uhhhh, Mordekaiser does not rule top lane. Well, he can if the opponent Tanky DPS doesn't know the first rule about facing Mordekaiser, but Tanky DPS can deal out more sustained damage then Mordekaiser can handle, especially early game.

As for ruling top lane, honestly, the only top laner that is manaless/energyless (runs on pure CDs) that sees a fair amount of top lane play is Riven, the others like Rengar have no end game damage, Garen can't handle kiting and will get counter picked, Renekton has the same problem as Rengar with his no end game and Try...Try's just in a very bad place right now.


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ProfDrDeath

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09-13-2012

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Originally Posted by Kionashi View Post
kat does not have any long CD.....

I just think...why no mana? cd on garen are not so long (maybe the ult but I didnt check) also riven....that's why top lane is ruled by no mana based champs like morde,


now with fury based champs...i was thinking in a little tweak...they should burn fury to use their abilities so they have no "real cost" on the abilities but they have to autoatack minions or champs to refill the fury bar and being able to spam abilities...
Kat has no long cooldowns, true...but she has less damage on her abilities to make up for their spammability.


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SireWolf

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09-13-2012

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Originally Posted by orionasdf View Post
why are you complaining solely about garen? there are several champions that don't use mana or energy or life or anything for their abilities.

including:
katarina
rengar
riven
tryndamere
shyvana
renekton
mordekaiser
Morde uses health.
Rene uses fury
Shy uses fury
Trynda uses fury
Rengar uses fury


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Leblonjames

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09-13-2012

because cooldowns are more important than mana cost on those champion.


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Nea De Penserhir

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09-13-2012

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Originally Posted by Autocthon View Post
Renekton Rengar and Tryn DO NOT HAVE RESOURCE COSTS

They have empowerment states. There is such a big difference it's ridiculous.

But yes, morde should not be on that list.
They are weaker without the empowerment. This is a cost.

If you removed their empowerment for their resources completely, they are weaker on average. That's the trade off, that's the cost.


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Kionashi

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09-13-2012

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Originally Posted by SireWolf View Post
Morde uses health.
Rene uses fury
Shy uses fury
Trynda uses fury
Rengar uses fury
lol regar does not use fury

the fury system is kinda broken right now tecnically you are not using anything...just gain fury witch improve your skills in some way there is not flaw on that


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Kyzonu

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09-13-2012

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Originally Posted by SireWolf View Post
Morde uses health.
Rene uses fury
Shy uses fury
Trynda uses fury
Rengar uses fury
mordekaiser does use health.
shyvanas doesnt use fury, she doesnt even have fury.
tryndamere might have fury, but his spells have no cost.
renekton and rengar both dont have costs, they have bonus effect on ability for a certain amount of resource
PS: rengar's resource isnt fury...


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Leotamer

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09-13-2012

Because everyone auto-bans Garen, he is so Op. It isn't like you can send the stranded counter-picks against him.


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Autocthon

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09-13-2012

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Originally Posted by Nea De Penserhir View Post
They are weaker without the empowerment. This is a cost.

If you removed their empowerment for their resources completely, they are weaker on average. That's the trade off, that's the cost.
That's isn't a cost system tho. It's a very different system from an actual cost system (Energy/Mana) because there are no costs associated with the skills themselves.

Their resource system is TIME (like Gaen and KAt) offset by rading power *now* for power at given levels of fury. (Excepting Tryn, he doesn't use fury for anything but his passive and his Q).

IE they have no resource costs. They have a specific kit changeup, but there are no costs associated with using an ability beyond basic oppurtunity and time costs.


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