Who are the good guys?

Demanicia are 181 35.08%
Noxian are 74 14.34%
Both are 72 13.95%
Both are EVIL 189 36.63%
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Demencia and Noxus, which are the good guys and which are the bad?

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Sapphyrite

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09-17-2010

I find that every culture present on Valoran has a specific archetype to follow, but thankfully it's not the simple Good/Bad axis.

Zaun, for example represents innovation, development and progress. But these values are driven to the end by lack of regulation, resulting in an anarchic and polluted city, which is nonetheless thriving and innovative.

Bilgewater represents the traditional pirate values. They're independent and self-governing, not caring for "established" policies and instead inventing their own (as for example in poltics).

Bandle City is the Shire of Valoran. Yordles are portrayed as fluffy-friendly creatures, living merrily and without worries, yet we see much less happy sides of such a society, that is forced to cope with the outside world in spite of it's own internal Utopian setting, having to create armed forces and disturbing characters such as Teemo. (I'm quite positive that if left alone, Yordles would just spend the days rolling on meadows and hugging each other a la Teletubbies)

Demacia is a paragon of law, and is vaguely reminiscent of a Roman-style communism. The State is put before the individual, making citizens just "units" forming it. The lawful ideal might pass for good at a first glance (and in fact I am sure most newcomers to Valoran are of the idea that Demacia/Noxus are the Good/Evil axis) but after looking deeper in the culture of the city, one realized that such despotic and draconian measures lead to a benevolent yet martial police state. They do care for the well being of the citizens, but if they stray even a little from the dogmas, they are worthy only of punishment.

Noxus, on the other end, is a dystopian representation of humanity I would say. Initiative, guile and prowess are the values held dear. Compassion and lawfulness are non-existent, since every act of kindness is a possible weakness to be exploited. I think Noxus represents grotesquely the human essence, as the strive for greatness at any cost is the main driving factor here. No moral qualms are taken in consideration, even going as far as denying the permanence of death should it be deemed profitable to the city. It is a place where no needs or desires go unsatiated, for nothing is forbidden here. It's chaotic freedom at the very essence. (even with the militaristic presence of the Noxian High Command)

Ionia carries a Buddhist set of values, teaching nature-love, serenity and calm, though it is forced to take weapons in self-defense. Ionians are peaceful people, emphasizing harmony as the highest value. The harmony of the soul, body and mind is essential for them to achieve peace, and that is what all the lore seems to hint. Even warcraft, such as Wuju or Udyr's style is transposed as inner search and presented gracefully and elegantly, elevating such normally considered belligerent activities to Arts.

Freljord, the last founded nation seems to be focused on acceptance and simple freedom. There is no conflict between species, in fact cooperation and integration is encouraged. No particular laws bind individuals, who just have to live without harming the community. It's simply freedom, no frills attached.

I think the real positive examples would be Ionia and Freljord, as Noxus and Demacia are both grotesque dystopian societies with no balance inside.


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Stexe

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09-17-2010

Pretty obvious that Demacia is designed to be the "good guys," with their "more holy than thou" type Champions. Or at least in any case they aren't as evil as Noxians.

In the traditional D&D setting, the alignment of Noxus would easily be something Evil. They support the ideas of hurting others to advance yourself.


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IntFam

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09-17-2010

I wouldn't use Good or Evil to describe them. In a conventional sense, Demacia is the "good" state and Noxus the "bad" but really, this is kind of arguing semantics. Demacia leans towards good because its society revolves are strict, strict discipline, whereas Noxus is a bit more anarchistic (although not to the extent that Zaun is) in the way it operates.

The more proper comparison to make would be which one symbolizes order, and which one symbolizes chaos.


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Treantreznor

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09-18-2010

I tend not to think of these two city states as either good or evil. Rather, I think of them as Order and Chaos. Neither order, or chaos, are good or evil.

Damacia follows a deep Order doctrine. While Noxus is highly Chaotic.


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EpicLotus

Senior Member

09-18-2010

This one is pretty easy... none.
Like in real life, there´s no total evil or good.
Even tough Demancia design led us to think that they´re the good guys, by futher analisis of lore, they´re China (like mentioned before), ruled by an iron first. (socialism).
Noxus has more dark, evil looking characters, in a society where if you´re strong and smart you have anything you want... ( capitalism )
Both have their good and bad things, don´t let the champion´s look´s fool you.


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Morgueington

Senior Member

09-18-2010

Noxus is the better civilization.

Look at Urgot. The man died, torn to shreds by Garen. Reborn by their science to fight again.

To defeat death in such a way is much more then Demacia could ever do.

As for who is good and bad. Matter of opinion. No black and white, shades of grey. I would side with Noxus if I was in that world. Sign up as a soldier, show great valor and courage. Rise up through the ranks. Become a officer, marry Katarina. Find a way to bring the Yordles onto my side. Hire the entire Bilgewater place. Destroy Demacia.


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KalosCast

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09-18-2010

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Originally Posted by Sapphyrite View Post
Freljord, the last founded nation seems to be focused on acceptance and simple freedom. There is no conflict between species, in fact cooperation and integration is encouraged. No particular laws bind individuals, who just have to live without harming the community. It's simply freedom, no frills attached.
You're kind of dancing around the issue of all of those assassination attempts against Ashe.


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Enrayged

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09-18-2010

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Originally Posted by Morgueington View Post

As for who is good and bad. Matter of opinion. No black and white, shades of grey. I would side with Noxus if I was in that world. Sign up as a soldier, show great valor and courage. Rise up through the ranks. Become a officer, marry Katarina. Find a way to bring the Yordles onto my side. Hire the entire Bilgewater place. Destroy Demacia.
Noxus? Allying with Yordles?

What next, Noxus allying with Barbarians? :P


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alsowikk

Senior Member

09-18-2010

Noxus is capitalism without any laws or oversight(not to mention morals within the populace...which is why they are what they are). Not saying the form of goverment is bad but Noxus is all about being strong or smart enough to get what you want how you want. Anyone can make it but the road is hard for anyone not born into the upperclass of noxian life and their is a whole atmosphere of proving yourself before you can get anywhere. Or it could just be survival of the fittest...either one really.

Demacia is like the city state of Sparta in ancient greece. Very militaristic with everyone serving when nessecary and the city being more important then yourself. They also up hold a very high standard for themselves in the same way that the Spartans did(no cowards, high moral standards). Pretty equal life but not an easy one to live through.

Both of the are utopias in the sense they are the manifestation of one ideal it's the survial of the fittest and working towards the betterment of the whole...depends on which one you think is worse.


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CG Uz

Senior Member

09-19-2010

Demacia- they are very very opressive of everyone else.

Also anything that hides in a bush and waits for you to facecheck is a creature of pure malice and evil.


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