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What's with the LichBane first builds?

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BuildPolice

Senior Member

08-23-2012

If you're getting it for burst it's really ****ing dumb, if you're not making use of the proc on a 3.0s cooldown then getting it early with no AP is a huge setback in your build, especially if your champ scales well with raw AP.
Champs with spammable abilities might get away with it a bit better, but why not just wait and get items with better utility or damage first, like rylai's or deathcap?


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otirruborez

Senior Member

08-23-2012

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TheBeetle:
If you're getting it for burst it's really ****ing dumb, if you're not making use of the proc on a 3.0s cooldown then getting it early with no AP is a huge setback in your build, especially if your champ scales well with raw AP.
Champs with spammable abilities might get away with it a bit better, but why not just wait and get items with better utility or damage first, like rylai's or deathcap?


rylais is less damage and deathcap has no utility or defense(on non shield champs). not saying lich bane is better, just listing reasons.


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BuildPolice

Senior Member

08-23-2012

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otirruborez:
rylais is less damage and deathcap has no utility or defense(on non shield champs). not saying lich bane is better, just listing reasons.

Being dead is less damage, enemy escaping is less damage.


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Redeemed In Fire

Senior Member

08-23-2012

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otirruborez:
rylais is less damage and deathcap has no utility or defense(on non shield champs). not saying lich bane is better, just listing reasons.

Rylais is 80 AP like Lich bane is, but LB is a minor bump to damage compared to going Rylais after your sheen. Not to mention the utility of a slow and 500 health.


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Infirc

Senior Member

08-23-2012

the move speed is useful, the 250 Ap thing is also valid but for example on champions like Diana that make absolutely no use of spellvamp even if her kit seems like so getting a rilayis and then lichbane can be a prettty surefire way to get damage, resistance and mobility thanks to the ms.


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Quincunx

Senior Member

08-23-2012

Is 7% movement speed really worth 950 gold? It doesn't give much more AP or MR than its components.


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GET REKT FGT

Senior Member

08-23-2012

We had a Ziggs rush it yesterday...I'm just saying something is up.


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Nyx87

Senior Member

08-23-2012

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otirruborez:
you don't lose damage. not sure where your math came from.

even with no ap from runes you have 110~ ap after your lichbane and ring. under no circumstances will you ever lose damage by upgrading it, even if you just had 80 ap.


I present the circumstance in which you lose damage!

Kassadin(yes I have seen lichbane rush on him) gets 122.5 AD at 18th level(52.3+3.9x18). So with ring and lichbane, you lost ~12 damage on that upgrade.

Lets take some more common examples. Now consider that these examples use both Prosp Ring and Lich, which i usually see people skip the Ring and go straight Lich.

Fizz, Diana, Akali, and Gragas get 107, 102, 110. 116 AD at level 18, respectively. So you are only going to get 3, 8, 0, -6 damage increases. As you level, Lichbanes effectiveness decreases unless you buy more and more AP, while Sheen gets better and better. Generally, to break the 200 AP mark, you are either really squishy, lack utility, or both.


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lbgsloan

Senior Member

08-23-2012

I think some people are forgetting that Lichbane damage is NOT MAGIC. Some champions like Poppy and Morde have skills that covert it to magic damage, but every other champion is going to get their procs mitigated to hell since they will have 0 arpen (well a little from the CS buff). In a game mode where early armour purchases are extremely common. You usually see AP Ezreal run armour pen runes or even get a LW at some point because the Lichbane Q procs will do far less damage without any. With only 110 AP from a ring and LB, you're going to be doing far less damage than someone with a ring and deathcap; and deathcap rushing is generally just as foolish on Dominion.

There's a good reason why most mages don't build this thing in any game mode; for its massive cost the benefits just aren't there. There are a few who can make good use of it, but even then they don't build it until their 4th or 5th item. Don't rush LB. Get a sheen early if it makes sense, but don't finish it without one other major item first.


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Catnium

Senior Member

08-23-2012

AP rune page btw


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